In deed different people, different needs, different criteria result in completely different opinions. Quite a brain storming lesson from a unique community of Vanagoneers. I want to apologize if I have offended anyone. Thanks to those who are willing to discuss with an open mind. I can tell you. I once worked in a work group consisted of: an African American, a white American, a Vietnamese American, a Cuban American, a Filipino American, an Indian American, a Chinese American (myself), another white American, a Thai American, a Puerto Rico American, and another Filipino American I can tell you they all liked my Vanagon. When they were on my Vanagon it usually meant golf time. They called my Vanagon "Carrier". We did that once or twice a month despite we fought with each other with all kinds of different opinions on a daily basis. But when we played golf together I believe we all had completely opened mind and enjoyed the game together. Hope our neighbors in the northern territory can be more open minded. Best wishes to everyone for a great Sunday evening. David
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