Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:13:24 -0700
Reply-To: Jake de Villiers <crescentbeachguitar@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Jake de Villiers <crescentbeachguitar@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Can't see the forest for the fees?
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Man, I go away for a few days and you guys get all political but I'll second
that -
"Long live King Zoltan of Vanagon!"
On 7/21/07, Robert Keezer <warmerwagen@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> I vote to elect Zoltan to be King of Vanagon.
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> Robert
> 1982 Westfalia
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> --- Zoltan <zolo@FOXINTERNET.NET> wrote:
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> > Our "Democratically Elected Dictatorship" will
> > do whatever they feel like
> > without asking or caring about the ones who
> > elected them. They can steel,
> > lie, cheat, promise falsly, pass laws and rules
> > and regulations unfavorably,
> > and they even want to be reelected, while we
> > have no chance to get them out
> > for many years. It is a form of democracy, but
> > not the one we should have
> > in our times. It was what we had to accept
> > when distances were great,
> > communications were slow, could not reach most
> > people at once as we can now.
> > Today, it is outdated and the time of "Direct
> > Democracy" is in and the thing
> > that should have been already in practice.
> > Kings don't want to be
> > dismounted. So, we will have to deal with
> > these local little kings until
> > the system of the direct democracy is applied.
> > Look it up in the dictionary.
> > Vanagon content? Well, here on the list we are
> > having direct democracy.
> > Members are all reached at once, can vote or
> > deal with problems all
> > together, they all get the emails, only they
> > don't interfere with the
> > inputs, some only send in a message a year, but
> > read all every day. See?
> > Everybody is involved and can make decisions if
> > asked. If we would want
> > them all to send a short message just to know
> > that they are there, we would
> > be surprised of all the hundreds of emails that
> > day. The silent majority is
> > there and are with us every day, and feeding
> > off our good messages all the
> > time. Those who ask questions, ask in
> > everybody's name. We all experience
> > the same problems now or later or before.
> >
> > When I see someone put his/her hand on a Bible
> > and makes a promise, to me it
> > means that he can do a lot of bad things
> > without us being able to fend them
> > off. It means, no accountability. Trust, good
> > character, and such noble
> > traits are not around when money is involved.
> > Mostly.
> > The folks on this list are doing a noble deed.
> > By choice. Our benefit is
> > each other's company and all the good advice we
> > get daily.
> > Thanks for this genuine trustable group, who
> > are all friends without shaking
> > hands.
> > Zoltan
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Pensioner" <al_knoll@PACBELL.NET>
> > To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> > Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 12:18 PM
> > Subject: Can't see the forest for the fees?
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> > > Our esteemed governator is spelt Ahnold like
> > he pronounces it. But don't
> > > get me started on rocks and locks.
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> > > Is this an Whoregon policy only? State
> > stuff? or is it the Feds agin?
> > > There was a NF fee system being tried out
> > some years (3) ago wonder if
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> > > the same thing. I'll check. I noticed that
> > my parking was free with my
> > > "geezer pass" and my campsite fees were half
> > off. Only 10bux for the pass
> > > with proper credentials (62 years on the
> > clock) and it's lifetime deal.
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> > > Do YOU qualify? Go gitchaself one! Best ten
> > bux you'll spend in the next
> > > fifty years or so. Have em put it in your
> > coffin or pyre when you depart
> > > (non transferable). At least get a parks
> > pass now $80 BUX egad! but good
> > > for a year. Thats only four visits to
> > Yosemite, Jellystone and others.
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> > > http://www.fs.fed.us/r6/mbs/passes/
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> > http://www.fs.fed.us/passespermits/senior.shtml
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> http://www.fs.fed.us/passespermits/about-rec-fees.shtml#standard
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> > > The 'geezer pass' is the old Golden Age
> > passport. Now extinct. However I
> > > have one squirreled away in Bessie the
> > Charolais Camper (Syncro SVX) (RVC)
> > > and use it often. For twenty years I bought
> > Golden Eagle passes every
> > > year,
> > > thought the advantages far outweighed the
> > original $20 cost when it
> > > brought
> > > FREE not half-off camping. No 'parking' fees
> > or 'day use fees' for
> > > ordinary
> > > places then. Sadly all gone by. Now we
> > support mumblers with tea towels
> > > who take August off for $10B a month while
> > the west is on fire and USFS
> > > (branch of Department of Agriculture) goes
> > beggin' for qualified personnel
> > > and capital equipment like fire trucks,
> > slurry bombers, caterpillars,
> > > water
> > > trucks, chain saws, helicopters...Dude!
> > Where's my Country?
> > >
> > > BLM 'this land is your land' no longer fee
> > free either.
> > >
> > > Al
> > >
> > > NF dispersed camper, ruffledgrouch,
> > G.O.M.E.R, MAAGie RVN-Laos 61-63,
> > > viejo
> > > pescador jubilado, Proud Geezer Pass User.
> > etc etc.
> > >
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Jake
1984 Vanagon GL
1986 Westy Weekender "Dixie"
www.crescentbeachguitar.com
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