Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:48:02 -0500
Reply-To: Max Wellhouse <maxjoyce@IPA.NET>
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From: Max Wellhouse <maxjoyce@IPA.NET>
Subject: Re: Help Needed, On the Road
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Madski: Something else to look at that's cheap is the ignition
switch in the dash, especially if you use a heavy key ring. The new
switches are like $10 and are used on a ton of VW's, so access in
semi remot places may not be too much of a problem. I'm thinking
that the O2 sensor could be the problem too though. I have
experienced your identical problem, but don't recall what I did to
fix it. When the tach would drip to zero, I'd coast until the van
either got to the top of a hill or at lest to a safe place to
park. Wait five minutes and start it up again and everything was
fine for a few hundred miles. Sometimes it would las6t for a week or two.
DM&FS
At 09:30 AM 7/24/2007, John Rodgers wrote:
>Dear Mad,
>
>My ignition problem experience has not been with the blue temp sensor -
>never there - but with the O2 sensor and the Idle Stabilizer System.
>Dennis Haynes has said more than once that it is a rare thing for there
>to be problems with that sensor.( but not impossible.) Therefore, You
>might try these steps to see if they are involved in your troubles.
>
>O2 sensor - just disconnect it right there in the engine bay. Follow
>the wire from the sensor to it's connector in the engine bay and simply
>disconnect it. Then drive a while and see if the problem is still there
>or goes away. The engine will run just fine with the O2 sensor
>disconnected. The system is designed that way just to ensure you can get
>home for repairs in the event of a failure on th road. You will suffer a
>small fuel economy loss while running disconnected, but it is of small
>consequence short term. Enjoy your trip, then fix it.
>
>Idle Stabilizer Valve/Control - sometimes this system goes bad and will
>cause the engine to run funny. It can be either the vale or the control
>box that goes bad, or both. Usually when one gailes the other follows.
>Crank the engine, warm it up, shut it down, disconnect the clip at the
>end of the valve - the valve being that little round cylindrical device
>that sits right on top of the 2.1L engine with a tube going to the AFM.
>With the clip disconnected, start the engine and run on the highway for
>a while. Won't hurt a thing. See how your engine performs. At idle you
>may need to turn off your AC, because the Idle Stabilizer System kicks
>up your engine speed to ensure the AC load doesn't stall your engine at
>idle. Same is true for the Power Steering. If you turn from lock to lock
>on the steering the load on the pump may stall the engine when the Idle
>Stabilizer System is disabled.
>
>I would drive a good distance in either of these configurations to be
>sure and give the engine time to displays it's faults. In each case, if
>the faults don't display, then you have isolated the problem to the
>system involved and can easily remedy it.
>
>Good luck. Enjoy your trip.
>
>Regards,
>
>John Rodgers
>
>mad madeline wrote:
>>We launched a trip from Phoenix to No. Calif.
>> At 450 miles into the trip our 87 engine, that has been running
>> really good for the last 3K miles, began to stumble. We've been
>> using Chevron all along the way, the problem started 100 miles
>> after a fill up with Chevron. Talked to our mechanic... but not
>> being at the shop we haven't come up with an answer.
>>
>> The symptoms are that it feels like it is cutting out
>> intermittently. We don't know if its ignition or fuel. At first
>> the cutting out was radical and we hardly made to our
>> destination. Then at our mechanic's advice, we checked the blue
>> plug connecton that goes to the thermostat housing and wiggled the
>> spark plug wires to see if they were loose... this may have helped
>> it some... not sure, but afterward it seemed to not be as radical.
>> We can actually drive it at high speed now and it cuts out only
>> once in awhile. Doesn't seem like it will die and we'll get
>> there, just a bit obnoxious!
>>
>> Sometimes it caughs several times, sometimes only once. The
>> tach drops each time, but not all the way to 0. The fuel pump
>> does not sound loud. We had a new ox sys 2K ago and everything
>> else was replaced within the last 3K. We don't find it related
>> to hills or high temp or low. No overheating issues. No head leaking.
>>
>> We are in Carpenteria right now. Tomorrow heading up 101 toward
>> SLO and then San Jose. Any ideas would be much appreciated... or
>> a shop along the way that would pay to stop at. I don't look
>> forward to this for another two thousand miles. Mad Madeline
>>
>>
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