Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:36:20 -0700
Reply-To: Scott Daniel - Shazam <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
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From: Scott Daniel - Shazam <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject: Re: VW FOX - Been driving one since Feb. but have not seen one
other than mine. Why?
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Yes, I guess so.
The important thing is that the owner's of these little cars enjoy them and
love them.
And mostly, they 'just go.' ...like they keep on truckin'.
-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
Jake de Villiers
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 6:22 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: VW FOX - Been driving one since Feb. but have not seen one
other than mine. Why?
They must have done a better job in Brazil because there are lots of VW
Foxes around here and zero Audi Foxes.
On 7/26/07, Richard Golen <rgolen@umassd.edu> wrote:
>
> The VW Fox was actually the old VW Dasher/Audi Fox from the late
> 70s/early 80s. The tooling was shipped off to Brazil and they then
> produced them.
>
>
> At 05:54 PM 7/26/2007, Scott Daniel - Shazam wrote:
> >The VW Fox - the boxy one, the one made in Brazil( not the Dasher fox )
> ...?
> >
> >Great if you love your fine little ride.
> >I haven't seen one of those alive around here ( southern Oregon, and west
> >coast in general ) for a long time.
> >No offense but they are considered a real POS.
> >
> >One thing I can tell you, you DO NOT want to do a clutch cable on one.
> >Possibly the most nightmarish and impossible thing to deal with up under
> the
> >dash I've ever seen, and that's from someone who has worked on thousands
> and
> >thousands of cars of all makes just about.
> >( well, OK, I haven't worked on a Tatra......you got me there. )
> >
> >You can pick up VW Fox's inexpensively, that you can say for sure !
> >
> >You probably could get 5 for 1,000 bucks and stay in a set of wheels
> until
> >they don't have gas and normal car driving anymore.
> >We are in a very lucky age of automobile history......and we are near the
> >end of the 'era of practical, and fully driver-controlled cars."
> >
> >Pretty soon, if you are on a freeway in heavy traffic at high speed, and
> you
> >tell a hyper modern car to do a sudden lane change at full throttle, the
> >car, due to built in intelligence, just will not do it.
> >You command full right steering lock and 100 % throttle...the car would
> just
> >say 'nope, not doing it."
> >Probably get a display that says 'Invalid Input Command.' And it would
> >continue on in its lane, spaced properly from the car in front.
> >Seriously, I'm reading on cutting edge car technologies.....
> >You figure with throttle by wire, the engine still does what you tell it
> to,
> >right.
> >Not on the soon to be here ones,
> >You command 100 % throttle at the pedal, the car does what it deems to be
> >the right thing with that information.
> >
> >If it's running on 4 our of 8 cylinders at the moment, for efficiency,
> and
> >you input 20 % throttle for light cruise, it knows that 70 % throttle on
> the
> >4 working cylinders is more efficient, and will net you the result you
> asked
> >for ......
> >The direct link between the car's systems and the driver is being taken
> >away, most definitely. No burn outs, no power slides, ...durn shame.
> >The dumbing down of *everything*
> >
> >Heck...get this, ( sorry to go on ) in Nascar for some tracks the even
> >dictate what rear end ratio you MUST run, or give you a choice of two.
> >Traditionally, race cars are controlled by engine size, weight,
> dimensions
> >etc...
> >And as long as you stay within those limits, how you get around the track
> >the fastest is up to the car's builders.....and gear ratio has always
> been
> >tradionally 'free' thing....
> >They're taking away individuality and creativity.
> >Durn shame.
> >Scott
> > www.turbovans.com
> >if wanting to comment and not use up bandwidth here, can continue on
> >http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/turbovans/
> >
> >comments on *anything* are fine there.....well maybe not sex with minors
> >...but you know, politics all that , is all fine. sdf
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
> Of
> >BJ Feddish
> >Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 1:52 PM
> >To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> >Subject: Re: VW FOX - Been driving one since Feb. but have not seen one
> >other than mine. Why?
> >
> > >> Do you suppose that most VW Foxes went to the junkyard prematurely?
> I
> >mean people ,ect didnt know to buckle the shoulder belt? Just wondering
> why
> >I never see another Fox.Rust? <<
> >
> >Search the archives on my rant about the Fox. Had VW pushed this car,
> which
> >came out at the same time as the Hyndai for only $1K more, and advertised
> it
> >they could have sold a bundle. Instead they pushed the Jettas on
> everyone.
> >
> >If it's any consolation I see allot more Foxes than I do Vanagons here in
> >SE, PA. Especially the little wagons. My last Vanagon sighting was a few
> >weeks ago.
> >
> >Bryan
>
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Jake
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