Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 13:20:08 -0600
Reply-To: Tom Buese <tombuese@COMCAST.NET>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: Tom Buese <tombuese@COMCAST.NET>
Subject: Re: Power output of actual vans? (long)
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I have a 4' x 8' HF trailer(1000# capacity) that I have pulled
thousands of miles & not noticed any difference.
YMMV,
Tom B.-w/ stock og 1.9
On Jul 29, 2007, at 12:56 PM, Robert Keezer wrote:
> I wonder how a small 4 foot by 4 foot box
> trailer affects the drag behind a Vanagon? Any
> info?
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> Robert
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> --- Frank Grunthaner <FrankGRUN@AOL.COM> wrote:
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>> In a message dated 7/28/07 2:47:37 PM,
>> albell@UVIC.CA writes:
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>>> Finally a worthwhile discussion :)
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>>> Frank, hats off on your undercarriage work.
>> Definitely a do-able
>>> solution. The rear low press problem is
>> harder. Instead of trying to
>>> fair that area how about an attempt to "curve
>> the flow" in there?
>>> While not nearly as effective it may be more
>> practicable. I'm
>>> thinking of wings/winglets on top and sides.
>> We've seen some full
>>> width top wings and the smaller deflectors
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>>> few years ago, NZ? firm making small
>> deflectors).
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>>> A splitter also may be effective. Flat panel
>> perpendicular to rear
>>> hatch, length to be determined.
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>>> I have a spare small water tunnel that my
>> revell Vanagon model would
>>> fit in. Would be useful for flow
>> visualization and perhaps some
>>> scaled drag values.
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>>> Alistair
>>> Alistair,
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>> Good idea. The Revell kits are very accurate.
>> You would have to fill it with
>> a hydrophobic fill to make certain there were
>> no spurious flow paths. Bees
>> wax! The deflector would at first thought
>> increase drag, but the energy release
>> by eliminating or backfilling the low pressure
>> zone should overcome any drag
>> addition. I like the idea of the liquidics test
>> with some marker streams. I
>> believe that there are some interesting fluoro
>> emitters when excited by turbulent
>> flow as well.
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>> BTW, the pressure characteristics at the back
>> of the van are very complex. A
>> partially opened hatch still gives rise to a CO
>> increase inside the van if the
>> windows are closed.
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>> Frank
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