Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 17:25:56 -0700
Reply-To: Reinhard Vehring <rvehring@YAHOO.COM>
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From: Reinhard Vehring <rvehring@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Increase ride height on 2wd front
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Joel,
sorry to hear the news about Gordon. The spacer is not
that difficult to make. I can draw one up and have a
local shop machine a couple. I'm still thinking about
the design though. It'll be a while before I get to
it, I have zero time throughout the week for the next
coming months. There is also too much data missing,
still.
Thanks for all the info,
Reinhard
83 "Half-Syncro" Westy, Moose
--- Joel VanderKwaak <joelvanderkwaak@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Not sure where to source these things, as they
> appeared to be an experiment
> of one of the SA list members. Gordon, the fellow
> mentioned in the email, is
> sick (likely terminal), so no point contacting him.
> We could try posting to
> that group I suppose.
>
> I have my hands full with other tasks right now, so
> it's unlikely I can take
> this one on soon. It's been on the backburner for a
> year or more, to be
> honest.
>
> On 8/5/07, Reinhard Vehring <rvehring@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Joel,
> > exactly what I was thinking. The upper control arm
> on
> > the syncro is different from 2wd, but the ball
> joints
> > are the same, so I would think that the spacer
> would
> > fit the 2wd. How can I get the spacers?
> > From the pics it looks like it is about 20 mm
> thick. I
> > need to dig out my ME books and look into stress
> on
> > longer screws. The two screws holding the ball
> joint
> > need to be longer now and they better hold or the
> > consequences would be very nasty.
> > This solves only a part of the problem, though. We
> > also need longer shocks, or a spacer for the
> mounting
> > point in the lower control arm. Now comes the
> > interesting question: How far can we let the
> > suspension drop, what is the limit? So I need
> range of
> > motion for both ball joints, the strut bar
> mounting
> > point, and the steering gear, and check for
> > interference with the anti roll bar, and see at
> what
> > angle the springs pop out of the lower control
> arm.
> > Now that I think about it, it should be possible
> to
> > drop the mounts for lower control arm, and sway
> bar
> > straigth down. The strut bar mount is angled but I
> > guess something could be worked out. That way the
> > whole lower suspension would sit deeper, the upper
> > control arm stays where it is, upright, springs,
> and
> > shocks would be longer. Just need to check the tie
> > rods for length and range of motion. Sounds crazy?
> >
> > Have fun,
> > Reinhard
> >
> > 83 "Half-Syncro" Westy, Moose
> > --- Joel VanderKwaak <joelvanderkwaak@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I ran across a ball joint spacer design on the
> > > SyncroSA Yahoo list. I've
> > > pasted the posting below, and attached some
> pictures
> > > from the archive. Not
> > > sure if this would solve part of the problem,
> but
> > > I'd be willing to purchase
> > > a set if we could find a machinist.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > from SyncroSA:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: "Gordon Craig"
> > >
> > <gordoncraig@...<
> >
>
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/SyncroSA/post?postID=cSAqHkS9qUi2J6e-aSuRpo6dW-g5UhLC9JkPpeJ1jR5KtHa7AQOyIN4prxugC5q3qC21TdpSBZx91Sccr-TrdxYNtw
> > >
> > > >
> > > To:
> > >
> > <syncrosa@yahoogroups.com<
> >
>
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/SyncroSA/post?postID=ex5qjQE1z5GbDjT-8bbwQRFMMBDzG0_b1pe7j9u3gX2e8JE7GA_-LwjznjPy3e115SoCJDWd5i2hit26L4nlHQ
> > >
> > > >
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 6:54 PM
> > > Subject: [SyncroSA] Testing new upright
> spacer...
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi guys
> > > >
> > > > Kobie has designed a spacer that fits between
> the
> > > upper
> > > > control arm and the upright, and houses the
> upper
> > > ball
> > > > joint. The object of this is to correct the
> wheel
> > > > alignment which is adversely affected by
> fitting
> > > the
> > > > tougher springs and gas shocks. Basically it
> > > returns the
> > > > upper control arm to its original horizontal
> > > position, as
> > > > per factory spec.
> > > >
> > > > They are as yet untested, but I will be
> testing
> > > them in the
> > > > near future and giving a report to all of you.
> We
> > > will
> > > > then make them available to the group.
> > > >
> > > > I have put some pics in the photos section of
> the
> > > syncrosa
> > > > site, in the folder Kobie.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Gordon
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/4/07, Reinhard Vehring <rvehring@yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Joel,
> > > > I get the feeling your rig is very similar to
> > > mine.
> > > > Looking at your tours you are probably in
> > > Califonia?
> > > > Have you ever thought of a spacer between the
> > > upper
> > > > ball joint and the upper control arm? I also
> > > wonder
> > > > what the limiting factor in the suspension is
> when
> > > > running longer shocks. Probably the upper ball
> > > joint
> > > > again, but I'm not sure. I'll have to run a
> couple
> > > of
> > > > calculations. Now, if I could just get my
> hands on
> > > SA
> > > > 15" steel wheels. They seem to be sold out
> > > everywhere
> > > > Take care,
> > > > Reinhard
> > > >
> > > > 83 "Half-Syncro" Westy, Moose
> > > >
> > > > --- Joel VanderKwaak
> <joelvanderkwaak@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hey again,
> > > > >
> > > > > The interference is on the outside wheel
> wheel,
> > > the
> > > > > sharp edge below the
> > > > > door. It occasionally rubs/cuts into the
> side of
> > > the
> > > > > tread when turning and
> > > > > fully compressed (mostly offroad). I've
> noticed
> > > no
> > > > > other clearance issues.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm running stock HD Bilsteins in front, and
> > > they do
> > > > > top out sometimes. Not
> > > > > quite sure what to do about that. On the
> rear I
> > > have
> > > > > a set of Synco OME's,
> > > > > racing axles and Porche 944 CVS. Not a
> Syncro,
> > > but
> > > > > that's fine by me.
> > > > >
> > > > > I forgot to mention a have a set of
> Syncro.org
> > > 2wd
> > > > > springs installed as
> > > > > well, but they've sagged a bit in the years
> I've
>
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