Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 10:05:20 -0700
Reply-To: Reinhard Vehring <rvehring@YAHOO.COM>
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From: Reinhard Vehring <rvehring@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Increase ride height on 2wd front
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Joel,
exactly what I was thinking. The upper control arm on
the syncro is different from 2wd, but the ball joints
are the same, so I would think that the spacer would
fit the 2wd. How can I get the spacers?
From the pics it looks like it is about 20 mm thick. I
need to dig out my ME books and look into stress on
longer screws. The two screws holding the ball joint
need to be longer now and they better hold or the
consequences would be very nasty.
This solves only a part of the problem, though. We
also need longer shocks, or a spacer for the mounting
point in the lower control arm. Now comes the
interesting question: How far can we let the
suspension drop, what is the limit? So I need range of
motion for both ball joints, the strut bar mounting
point, and the steering gear, and check for
interference with the anti roll bar, and see at what
angle the springs pop out of the lower control arm.
Now that I think about it, it should be possible to
drop the mounts for lower control arm, and sway bar
straigth down. The strut bar mount is angled but I
guess something could be worked out. That way the
whole lower suspension would sit deeper, the upper
control arm stays where it is, upright, springs, and
shocks would be longer. Just need to check the tie
rods for length and range of motion. Sounds crazy?
Have fun,
Reinhard
83 "Half-Syncro" Westy, Moose
--- Joel VanderKwaak <joelvanderkwaak@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I ran across a ball joint spacer design on the
> SyncroSA Yahoo list. I've
> pasted the posting below, and attached some pictures
> from the archive. Not
> sure if this would solve part of the problem, but
> I'd be willing to purchase
> a set if we could find a machinist.
>
>
>
> from SyncroSA:
>
>
> From: "Gordon Craig"
>
<gordoncraig@...<http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/SyncroSA/post?postID=cSAqHkS9qUi2J6e-aSuRpo6dW-g5UhLC9JkPpeJ1jR5KtHa7AQOyIN4prxugC5q3qC21TdpSBZx91Sccr-TrdxYNtw>
> >
> To:
>
<syncrosa@yahoogroups.com<http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/SyncroSA/post?postID=ex5qjQE1z5GbDjT-8bbwQRFMMBDzG0_b1pe7j9u3gX2e8JE7GA_-LwjznjPy3e115SoCJDWd5i2hit26L4nlHQ>
> >
> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 6:54 PM
> Subject: [SyncroSA] Testing new upright spacer...
>
>
> > Hi guys
> >
> > Kobie has designed a spacer that fits between the
> upper
> > control arm and the upright, and houses the upper
> ball
> > joint. The object of this is to correct the wheel
> > alignment which is adversely affected by fitting
> the
> > tougher springs and gas shocks. Basically it
> returns the
> > upper control arm to its original horizontal
> position, as
> > per factory spec.
> >
> > They are as yet untested, but I will be testing
> them in the
> > near future and giving a report to all of you. We
> will
> > then make them available to the group.
> >
> > I have put some pics in the photos section of the
> syncrosa
> > site, in the folder Kobie.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Gordon
>
>
> On 8/4/07, Reinhard Vehring <rvehring@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Joel,
> > I get the feeling your rig is very similar to
> mine.
> > Looking at your tours you are probably in
> Califonia?
> > Have you ever thought of a spacer between the
> upper
> > ball joint and the upper control arm? I also
> wonder
> > what the limiting factor in the suspension is when
> > running longer shocks. Probably the upper ball
> joint
> > again, but I'm not sure. I'll have to run a couple
> of
> > calculations. Now, if I could just get my hands on
> SA
> > 15" steel wheels. They seem to be sold out
> everywhere
> > Take care,
> > Reinhard
> >
> > 83 "Half-Syncro" Westy, Moose
> >
> > --- Joel VanderKwaak <joelvanderkwaak@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hey again,
> > >
> > > The interference is on the outside wheel wheel,
> the
> > > sharp edge below the
> > > door. It occasionally rubs/cuts into the side of
> the
> > > tread when turning and
> > > fully compressed (mostly offroad). I've noticed
> no
> > > other clearance issues.
> > >
> > > I'm running stock HD Bilsteins in front, and
> they do
> > > top out sometimes. Not
> > > quite sure what to do about that. On the rear I
> have
> > > a set of Synco OME's,
> > > racing axles and Porche 944 CVS. Not a Syncro,
> but
> > > that's fine by me.
> > >
> > > I forgot to mention a have a set of Syncro.org
> 2wd
> > > springs installed as
> > > well, but they've sagged a bit in the years I've
> > > abused them. Also a Syncro
> > > tranny w/ locker + a 2.2 Subaru.
> > >
> > > Not sure what the next project should be. Maybe
> > > passing SMOG inspection is a
> > > good goal ;).
> > >
> > > Joel
> > >
> > > On 8/4/07, Reinhard Vehring <rvehring@yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Joel,
> > > > this is interesting. The 215/75 R15 BFG's
> would
> > > give
> > > > me about 2 cm more ride height compared to the
> > > 195R14
> > > > Hankooks. The spacer (15 mm, I assume) also
> close
> > > to
> > > > another 2 cm. Where exactly is the
> interference?
> > > Do
> > > > you have clearance at the steering knuckle
> close
> > > to
> > > > the upper ball joint?
> > > > One problem though: The 15 mm spacer eats up a
> bit
> > > of
> > > > the available drop I have left in the
> suspension.
> > > Did
> > > > you notice any problems topping out? Or do you
> run
> > > > longer shocks? Lot's of question, sorry. But
> this
> > > is
> > > > not that straightforward to me.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, Reinhard
> > > >
> > > > 83 "Half-Syncro" Westy, Moose
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Joel VanderKwaak
> <joelvanderkwaak@GMAIL.COM>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Howdy,
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a 91 multivan, runining SA 15" steel
> rims
> > > > > with 215/75 BFG KO's. With
> > > > > stock suspension I had bad interference in
> the
> > > wheel
> > > > > well, especially when
> > > > > turning under full compression. I bought and
> had
> > > > > installed a set of spring
> > > > > spacers from Germany, designed for syncros;
> I
> > > still
> > > > > have minor interference
> > > > > when heavily loaded. I don't know the ride
> > > height
> > > > > off hand, but its
> > > > > comparable with a stock syncro. Works great
> for
> > > me
> > > > > when touring around Death
> > > > > Valley, Nevada, Baja, etc, but the van is
> too
> > > tall
> > > > > to fit in the garage now.
> > > > >
> > > > > Joel
> > > > >
> > > > > On 8/4/07, Reinhard Vehring
> <rvehring@yahoo.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bigger tires is a good idea, apart from
> the
> > > added
> > > > > > weight messing with the suspension. What
> do
> > > you
> > > > > run (I
> > > > > > assume on your 2wd) ? I have Hankook
> 195R14
>
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