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Date:         Sun, 5 Aug 2007 17:25:56 -0700
Reply-To:     Reinhard Vehring <rvehring@YAHOO.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Reinhard Vehring <rvehring@YAHOO.COM>
Subject:      Re: Increase ride height on 2wd front
Comments: To: Joel VanderKwaak <joelvanderkwaak@gmail.com>
In-Reply-To:  <d338c9960708051059u22c4acd2vd27c814576a99599@mail.gmail.com>
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Joel, sorry to hear the news about Gordon. The spacer is not that difficult to make. I can draw one up and have a local shop machine a couple. I'm still thinking about the design though. It'll be a while before I get to it, I have zero time throughout the week for the next coming months. There is also too much data missing, still. Thanks for all the info, Reinhard

83 "Half-Syncro" Westy, Moose --- Joel VanderKwaak <joelvanderkwaak@gmail.com> wrote:

> Not sure where to source these things, as they > appeared to be an experiment > of one of the SA list members. Gordon, the fellow > mentioned in the email, is > sick (likely terminal), so no point contacting him. > We could try posting to > that group I suppose. > > I have my hands full with other tasks right now, so > it's unlikely I can take > this one on soon. It's been on the backburner for a > year or more, to be > honest. > > On 8/5/07, Reinhard Vehring <rvehring@yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > > Joel, > > exactly what I was thinking. The upper control arm > on > > the syncro is different from 2wd, but the ball > joints > > are the same, so I would think that the spacer > would > > fit the 2wd. How can I get the spacers? > > From the pics it looks like it is about 20 mm > thick. I > > need to dig out my ME books and look into stress > on > > longer screws. The two screws holding the ball > joint > > need to be longer now and they better hold or the > > consequences would be very nasty. > > This solves only a part of the problem, though. We > > also need longer shocks, or a spacer for the > mounting > > point in the lower control arm. Now comes the > > interesting question: How far can we let the > > suspension drop, what is the limit? So I need > range of > > motion for both ball joints, the strut bar > mounting > > point, and the steering gear, and check for > > interference with the anti roll bar, and see at > what > > angle the springs pop out of the lower control > arm. > > Now that I think about it, it should be possible > to > > drop the mounts for lower control arm, and sway > bar > > straigth down. The strut bar mount is angled but I > > guess something could be worked out. That way the > > whole lower suspension would sit deeper, the upper > > control arm stays where it is, upright, springs, > and > > shocks would be longer. Just need to check the tie > > rods for length and range of motion. Sounds crazy? > > > > Have fun, > > Reinhard > > > > 83 "Half-Syncro" Westy, Moose > > --- Joel VanderKwaak <joelvanderkwaak@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > I ran across a ball joint spacer design on the > > > SyncroSA Yahoo list. I've > > > pasted the posting below, and attached some > pictures > > > from the archive. Not > > > sure if this would solve part of the problem, > but > > > I'd be willing to purchase > > > a set if we could find a machinist. > > > > > > > > > > > > from SyncroSA: > > > > > > > > > From: "Gordon Craig" > > > > > <gordoncraig@...< > > > http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/SyncroSA/post?postID=cSAqHkS9qUi2J6e-aSuRpo6dW-g5UhLC9JkPpeJ1jR5KtHa7AQOyIN4prxugC5q3qC21TdpSBZx91Sccr-TrdxYNtw > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > <syncrosa@yahoogroups.com< > > > http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/SyncroSA/post?postID=ex5qjQE1z5GbDjT-8bbwQRFMMBDzG0_b1pe7j9u3gX2e8JE7GA_-LwjznjPy3e115SoCJDWd5i2hit26L4nlHQ > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 6:54 PM > > > Subject: [SyncroSA] Testing new upright > spacer... > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys > > > > > > > > Kobie has designed a spacer that fits between > the > > > upper > > > > control arm and the upright, and houses the > upper > > > ball > > > > joint. The object of this is to correct the > wheel > > > > alignment which is adversely affected by > fitting > > > the > > > > tougher springs and gas shocks. Basically it > > > returns the > > > > upper control arm to its original horizontal > > > position, as > > > > per factory spec. > > > > > > > > They are as yet untested, but I will be > testing > > > them in the > > > > near future and giving a report to all of you. > We > > > will > > > > then make them available to the group. > > > > > > > > I have put some pics in the photos section of > the > > > syncrosa > > > > site, in the folder Kobie. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Gordon > > > > > > > > > On 8/4/07, Reinhard Vehring <rvehring@yahoo.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Joel, > > > > I get the feeling your rig is very similar to > > > mine. > > > > Looking at your tours you are probably in > > > Califonia? > > > > Have you ever thought of a spacer between the > > > upper > > > > ball joint and the upper control arm? I also > > > wonder > > > > what the limiting factor in the suspension is > when > > > > running longer shocks. Probably the upper ball > > > joint > > > > again, but I'm not sure. I'll have to run a > couple > > > of > > > > calculations. Now, if I could just get my > hands on > > > SA > > > > 15" steel wheels. They seem to be sold out > > > everywhere > > > > Take care, > > > > Reinhard > > > > > > > > 83 "Half-Syncro" Westy, Moose > > > > > > > > --- Joel VanderKwaak > <joelvanderkwaak@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hey again, > > > > > > > > > > The interference is on the outside wheel > wheel, > > > the > > > > > sharp edge below the > > > > > door. It occasionally rubs/cuts into the > side of > > > the > > > > > tread when turning and > > > > > fully compressed (mostly offroad). I've > noticed > > > no > > > > > other clearance issues. > > > > > > > > > > I'm running stock HD Bilsteins in front, and > > > they do > > > > > top out sometimes. Not > > > > > quite sure what to do about that. On the > rear I > > > have > > > > > a set of Synco OME's, > > > > > racing axles and Porche 944 CVS. Not a > Syncro, > > > but > > > > > that's fine by me. > > > > > > > > > > I forgot to mention a have a set of > Syncro.org > > > 2wd > > > > > springs installed as > > > > > well, but they've sagged a bit in the years > I've > === message truncated ===

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