Date:         Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:53:24 -0500
Reply-To:     Jeff Lincoln <magikvw@GMAIL.COM>
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From:         Jeff Lincoln <magikvw@GMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Honest mechanics, etc. NVC
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Bryan,

Again I don't recall all the details exactly. It must have had something to
do with misrepresenting the vehicle - I really don't know. I do know that in
the end Joe (Ex's dad) ended up with no van, refunding the guys payment, and
paying court fees. Apparently Joe could have gotten the van back but at that
point was so dicusted he just left it. The guy also threatened to charge him
storage. It was a big giant mess.


On 8/9/07, BJ Feddish <bfeddish@netreach.net> wrote:
>
> Dumb question. Why can you sue a person who you bought a car from because
> it
> has rust?
>
> Thanks,
> Bryan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
> Jeff Lincoln
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 9:54 AM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: Honest mechanics, etc. NVC
>
> My Ex's father ran into a guy sort of like this. He had sold a Syncro on
> Ebay for cheap ($2000) it was in great shape (I scolded him severely for
> selling it so cheap). Sold it to a guy who uses them for base camps for a
> white water rafting outfit. He even delivered the van to the guy from
> Michigan to Virginia. All appear well until sometime later he received
> lawsuit papers in the mail. The guy had taken pictures of the bad spots
> on his other various Syncro's (those that were the same color) and calimed
> they were the one from this EBay purchase. Long story short Ex's dad lost
> settlement and ended up having to pay this guy - and didn't get the van
> back. The guy called him afterward and came right out and admitted he had
> screwed him - said he does it all the time.
>
> I know this lacks in details because I really don't remember exactly how
> it
> went but you get the idea. Sounds like he is cut from the same cloth as
> the
> guy mentioned below.
>
>
> On 8/8/07, mordo <helmut.blong@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Wow. DId this client once live in Connecticut? I'm sure I've done
> business
> > with him. Sad but true - I've met a few like this. They have more money
> > thatn they could ever hope to spend or give away but they delight in
> > screwing whomever they can. Weird.
> >
> > ciao,
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Don Hanson <dhanson@gorge.net>
> > Date: Aug 8, 2007 11:46 AM
> > Subject: Honest mechanics, etc.  NVC
> > To: vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com
> >
> > Asking for partial payment up front as a mechanic:  Probably a bit
> > strange,
> > unless you live somewhere where there is no lien law.  After all, you do
> > have the vehicle as security.  Or if a large expenditure is anticipated
> > for
> > a major component that must be obtained before work can begin..crate
> > motor,
> > etc.
> > The signed contract-thing..that is the most odious part of a job, for
> me.
> > I love working, building something really right and pleasing the
> customer,
> > surprising them by the quality and speed, etc etc.  I hate dealing with
> > bids, estimates, payment schedules, permits, licenses, bonds..on and
> > on...But..the integrity of some of my customers finally taught me that
> > having everything pre-discussed, agreed upon and if the work is more
> than
> > I
> > can stand to give away..I try to get a contract in writing.
> > Even that sometimes is not enough for some bad customers.
> > I had a custom home customer who's house I did for "X-dollars per square
> > foot"..Signed a contract, we did the work, he was happy until time for
> the
> > final payment.  He then said.."I am not paying.  See my lawyer"  Huh?  I
> > asked what was wrong, he said "Nothing.  Love the house, but it is just
> > business"  Huh?
> > He explained that he didn't get wealthy without playing all the angles,
> > without being a 'good businessman'. He said it was good business
> practice
> > that he made everyone sue for their final payments, saying he usually
> came
> > out ahead because most people didn't want to spend the money getting an
> > attorney to collect, so they settled for a lesser sum!  Dickwad!  Of
> > course,
> > he was right, I did settle for less than was due because I had to pay
> off
> > my
> > men, the subs and the lumberyard, etc. and I didn't want to get into a
> > court
> > battle because I was on to the next house...
> > But...he sold that house the next  year for a tidy profit and was
> wanting
> > to build another one...Except when he put the plans out for bid, nobody
> > would touch it!   Word was out about this particular  slime ball... He
> > then
> > moved on from Jackson Hole to Bozeman, Mt....where he found another
> > contractor to screw, I am sure..
> > Luckily, that  was the worst..but I have had other 'sharpies' try to
> > weasle a bit of extra..on the "Just Business" excuse...
> > Sorry for the off topic..
> > Don Hanson
> >
> >
> > --
> > mordo
> > 1990 Carat
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff
> 90' Carat (Grover)
> 86' (We call this one Parts)
> 85' GL (Preparing for reanimation)
>
>


--
Thanks,

Jeff
90' Carat (Grover)
86' (We call this one Parts)
85' GL (Preparing for reanimation)