Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:27:11 -0500
Reply-To: Max Wellhouse <maxjoyce@IPA.NET>
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From: Max Wellhouse <maxjoyce@IPA.NET>
Subject: Re: Michelin Agilis Tires
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I've got a brand new spare(well, it's got road splash on it) I'd be
willing to sell to someone in need.
DM&FS
At 03:41 PM 9/20/2007, Tom Buese wrote:
>On Sep 20, 2007, at 2:21 PM, Mike wrote:
>
>>I just bought 2 Michelin Agilis 81's for my original '87 Westy from
>>TireRack. I love 'em!
>> Michelin needs to get their head together, regarding giving
>>erronoeous
>>info to customers regarding their own products. Several tire
>>dealers I
>>spoke to said that these were no longer available, also. But one I
>>spoke to
>>said that they were available.
>
>I wonder if Michelin has stopped producing the Agilis & so the only
>ones that are available are those that dealers had in stock?
>
>Tom B.-I wanna order a set, but don't want to get stuck not having
>any replacements if I have a tire failure
>>
>>YMMV.....
>>
>>Mike B.
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Mark Drillock" <mdrillock@COX.NET>
>>To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>>Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 11:35 AM
>>Subject: Re: Michelin Agilis Tires
>>
>>
>>>I think the model 61 is gone and 81 is what they still make.
>>>
>>>Tirerack shows Agilis in 14 and 15 in stock.
>>>
>>>Mark
>>>
>>>John Rodgers wrote:
>>>>I haven't checked, but they may well be out of stock - for a 14 inch
>>>>rim. I would check and see if they were available in a larger rim
>>>>size.
>>>>I'll bet they are. Of course that doesn't do you any good if you
>>>>have 14
>>>>in. rims, however. But this gets back to the same old song - you
>>>>have
>>>>better and more options with 15 and 16 inch rims than with the
>>>>stock 14
>>>>inch rims. This is what has motivated many list members to upgrade
>>>>their rims. Related to the larger rim upgrade, upgrading to the
>>>>bigger
>>>>diameter rims also allows for upgrading to the big brake kits.
>>>>Plus, you
>>>>can replace your rear shoe type brakes with disc brakes so you
>>>>will have
>>>>disc brake action on all four wheels. Much better braking actions, I
>>>>would say.
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>
>>>>John Rodgers
>>>>88 GL Driver
>>>>
>>>>John Lauterbach wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Hi John,
>>>>>
>>>>>I called Michelin customer service last week and told the
>>>>>representative that my '84 VW Vanagon needed a new set of Agilis
>>>>>61s
>>>>>in 185R14C. He told me that Michelin could not provide me with
>>>>>tires
>>>>>for my van as tires were out-of-stock and no longer made.
>>>>>
>>>>>John
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "John Rodgers"
>>>>><inua@CHARTER.NET>
>>>>>To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>>>>>Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 8:48 AM
>>>>>Subject: Re: Michelin Agilis Tires
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Frank,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That's bogus! It's a marketing ploy by Costco.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Gases - nitrogen or otherwise - all follow the "Ideal Gas Law".
>>>>>>This
>>>>>>law
>>>>>>- oft stated in chemistry and physics - is comprised of three
>>>>>>other
>>>>>>laws
>>>>>>- Boyles Law, Charles Law, and Gay-Lussac's Law. A fairly
>>>>>>comprehensive
>>>>>>and easy to read summary of these laws is found in Wikipaedia. The
>>>>>>inside volume of the tire remains constant, so as temperature
>>>>>>changes,
>>>>>>whether from the weather or from rolling friction on the road, the
>>>>>>pressure will change. The case for nitrogen being used in the
>>>>>>Agilis
>>>>>>tire is that it is a very dry gas - no entrained moisture - and
>>>>>>being a
>>>>>>relatively inert gas, it reduces the tendency of the tire to rot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>BTW, I'm soon to need new tires, and the Agilis is my choice
>>>>>>for the
>>>>>>next set.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>John Rodgers
>>>>>>88 GL Driver
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Frank Condelli wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In a message dated 20/09/2007 6:15:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>>>>>>WHalsey@sya.org writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why nitrogen? I have never heard of that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Because that's what COSTCO is doing. The pamphlet I got from
>>>>>>>COSTCO says:
>>>>>>>Nitrogen helps stabilize a tire's inflation pressure.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Frank Condelli
>>>>>>>Almonte, Ontario, Canada
>>>>>>>'87 Westy & Lionel Trains (_Collection for sale_
>>>>>>>(http://members.aol.com/Fkc43/trainsal.htm) )
>>>>>>>_Frank Condelli & Associates_
>>>>>>>(http://members.aol.com/Fkc43/busindex.html)
>>>>>>>- Vanagon/Vanagon Westfalia Service in the Ottawa Valley
>>>>>>>_Vanagon Stainless Steel Exhaust Systems_
>>>>>>>(http://members.aol.com/Fkc43/stebro.htm)
>>>>>>>_BusFusion_ (http://members.aol.com/BusFusion/bfhome.htm) a
>>>>>>>VW Camper
>>>>>>>camping event, Almonte, ON, June 07 ~ 10, 2007
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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