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Date:         Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:42:40 -0400
Reply-To:     Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
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From:         Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Cold-start up oil issue..a solution
Comments: To: David Kao <dtkao0205@YAHOO.COM>
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Conventional 20w-50 is good to the mid 20's. Below that you can have starting difficulty and blown oil filters and cooler seals if time is not given for warm up. 15w-40 will get you about 0. Below that you need to do the warm up thing and use even lighter oils. Of course lighter oils such as 5w-20 do not work well at extended higher speeds or distances in the Vanagon.

The first number is the viscosity at 104F, the higher number is at 212F. At 0F all sorts of things can happen and viscosity is not always proportional with the ratings. Same thing goes for much higher temperatures. Again, Synthetics rule in the extremes.

Dennis

-----Original Message----- From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of David Kao Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 12:05 PM To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM Subject: Re: Cold-start up oil issue..a solution

No. I am not concerned about "dry" wear on engine start up. It is the oil weight of 20 at cold start question. Most engine wear occurs at the first few miles after a cold start. Is 20W-50 good enough or is 5W-50 better for reducing cold start wear? This may be a question during winter only. 5W-50 is not widely available. I am using 10w-40.

Yes, I keep hearing that 20w-50 works fine. 10w-40 has worked very well for me too. But is there a difference? What is the difference? What is better for winter?

I know once the engine warms up there is no difference any more. But the wear happened before the engine warms up. I heard that each cold start wear equals the wear of 200 miles of driving. I think dry wear contributes to the cold start wear too. But it occurs only for a few seconds.

Thanks for the accusump suggestion. That's something I haven't thought about. BTW, I look forward to hearing your new trip report soon.

David

--- Don Hanson <dhanson@GORGE.NET> wrote:

> If you are concerned about minimizing 'dry' wear on engine startup, or > perhaps use your Syncro at silly angles on rugged terrain, you may want to > install one of these accusumps. I had them in my racecars. They are pretty > simple and an elegant solution to the short period of time when you first > fire up, or if for any reason you uncover your oil uptake. > I suggest using the electric switched model, the one that activates as you > switch on the ignition. Essentially, it 'pushes' 2-5 quarts of oil through > the oil galleries, pre-oiling the bearing surfaces before you turn the motor > over. > > http://www.accusump.com/ > > Don Hanson >

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