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Date:         Mon, 1 Oct 2007 13:37:46 -0700
Reply-To:     Scott Daniel - Shazam <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
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From:         Scott Daniel - Shazam <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject:      Re: Ground clearance on 15 degree I4 install?
Comments: To: Jim Akiba <jakiba@bostig.com>
In-Reply-To:  <ac1f198b0710011257y5185c11am808f397693ffd467@mail.gmail.com>
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Hey that's good news on the Zetec at 7.5 inches.

On Subaru's ....2.2's, 2.5's and SVX , it's at least 11 inches, and up to 12 inches.

At 11 inches it means the pan will stick down 4.5 inches further than what you had, in a waterboxer vanagon, of course.

A deep narrow pan is always desirable, and Subaru seems to believe in that.

I suspect their engine sits perhaps 3 inches higher in the chassis than would be preferable due to that pan sticking way down, with two horizontal baffles even, in some of their pans. That makes me think they put a lot of effort into ensuring oil and oil pressure is always available.

I find it interesting that they went to the trouble to make it so when you had fresh oil, ( there's a tube with an o-ring, etc ) it goes directly to the bottom of the pan where the oil pick up is, , and not just to the top of whatever oil is already in there.

Sorry to go on about soob oil pans - I notice a 99 SOHC 2.5 has a very flat oil pan bottom ( haven't seen the inside of it yet though )

On an early 2.2 the bottom of the pan is very rounded, almost pointy a bit ......

As cars evolve they are always trying to package more engine into a lower noise for aerodynamics and styling....

Perhaps they squeezed up on the bottom of the pan in the SOHC 2.5's to get the engine in , and lower ....if the engineers can get an engine one half inch lower, they probably consider that a mile, in terms of packaging/performance combo.

Scott

www.turbovans.com <http://www.turbovans.com/>

-----Original Message----- From: Jim Akiba [mailto:jakiba@bostig.com] Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 12:57 PM To: Scott Daniel - Shazam Subject: Re: Ground clearance on 15 degree I4 install?

<pmail>

Excellent info Scott, I was just measuring the other day, the crank centerline from an ej22 to the bottom of the pan I have here is 12", can you confirm this and perhaps an SVX? Or 2.5 measurement?

The zetec is also 7.5" from crank centerline to the bottom of the pan(stock pan, not the shortened pan)

Thanks!

Jim

On 10/1/07, Scott Daniel - Shazam <scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:

The distance from the center of the crankshaft to the bottom of a waterboxer block is 7.5 inches. ( and the exhaust sticks down a bit below that ) . I just measured an inline 4 at 15 degrees at 7 inches, center of crank to bottom of a jetta type steel oil pan. That's sure good news !~ by that calculation, no loss of ground clearance. In 2WD you can fudge the engine up a little too, an inch without shift linkage or CV joint problems. Scott www.turbovans.com

-----Original Message----- From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of neil N Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 12:31 PM To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM Subject: Ground clearance on 15 degree I4 install?

Hi all.

Does anyone with the 15 degree VW I4 conversion know if there's any loss of ground clearance?

If so how much?

I imagine there would be.....

TIA,

Neil.

-- Neil Nicholson. 1981 Air Cooled Westfalia - "Jaco" (Bustorius)

http://web.mac.com/tubaneil

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