Date:         Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:35:13 -0400
Reply-To:     Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
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From:         Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: STP   WAS==>Re: 20W-50 oil question
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Paraffin is present in all conventional oils and Diesel fuel. It is what
makes it get too thick when cold and causes Diesel to gel and stop flowing
in winter. The lack of paraffin in synthetics is one of the reasons for
the naturally wide temperature ranges. STP also adds other additives. The
oil companies are now getting into this marketing junk with high mileage
and blends and other non sense. So how is High mileage Mobil 1 supposed to
be better? Higher viscosity it says on the bottle. Wait, it still says
10w-30. Is it or isn’t it? Let's face, you really can’t fix a worn engine
out of a jar. Save your money. Use it for as long as it will work.

Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
Todd Last
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 12:13 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: STP WAS==>Re: 20W-50 oil question

As I recall, the main ingrediant in STP was parrifin and it had the bad
habit of being extreemly difficult to remove once added to an engine.  I
had a friend of mine in high-school add it to his mini-bike and then spent
part of the summer having to take the engine apart to scrub out all the
STP residue once the performance of the engine took a nosedive.

I always find myself asking, if those additives were so great, wouldn't
you see the major oil makers adding them to their oils?

Todd
'88 Westy


 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Bob Donalds <donalds1@VERIZON.NET>
> I have a bottle and have done some playing with samples assembly lube
and
> such
>  but too many bad memorys of STP
>
> time will tell
> Bob
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jack R." <jack007@COMCAST.NET>
> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 6:54 AM
> Subject: Re: 20W-50 oil question
>
>
> > Bob,
> >
> > And what are your thoughts on Lucas Oil Stabilizer?  I've been using
Elf
> > 10W50 4 qts, and 1 qt of Lucas... with great results in my 2.1L.  Mann
> > filters of course!
> >
> > Jack R.
> > N. of Detroit
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
Behalf Of
> > Bob Donalds
> > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:18 AM
> > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > Subject: Re: 20W-50 oil question
> >
> > I went to sleep early
> > 20/50 is the right stuff and can be used most of the year here in the
> > north
> > it s not like the top end of the engine is dry when it starts cold so
it
> > has
> > lubrication
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >  ----- Original Message -----
> >  From: Jim Akiba
> >  To: Bob Donalds
> >  Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 9:53 PM
> >  Subject: Fwd: 20W-50 oil question
> >
> >
> >  You're being paged on the vanagon list beep beep beep
> >
> >  ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >  From: David Kao < dtkao0205@yahoo.com>
> >  Date: Oct 4, 2007 12:06 AM
> >  Subject: Re: 20W-50 oil question
> >  To: vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com
> >
> >  Bob, what is your opinion about dino oil 20w-50 most Vanagon people
> >  believe in and kind of insist in using it? They have of course a good
> >  point that the owner's manual suggested it.
> >
> >  My understanding is the 20W part is bad for the first few miles after
a
> >  cold start in the morning. That's when the most wear happens to the
> > engine.
> >  But the number of 50 in 20w-50 is good for the rising coolant
temperature
> >  when in bumper to bumper traffic. The Vangon's cooling system is
unable
> >  to keep the coolant at a constant temperature in slow traffic or in
> > climbing
> >  long hills, unlike my Passat which keeps its coolant temperature at a
> >  constant at all conditions. I can see the benefit of the 50 viscosity
> >  for vanagons. But 20w part is really bad for cold start and first few
> >  miles of driving first thing in the morning.
> >
> >  What's the solution for this? What's your opinion about this? Or it
> > doesn't
> >  matter any way? Thanks a lot.
> >
> >  David
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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