Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 19:38:58 -0700
Reply-To: Scott Daniel - Shazam <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
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From: Scott Daniel - Shazam <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject: Re: That recent post bashing Tiico..one on Yahoo subaru too.
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Fwiw, I've been in the subaru conversion world for quite a few years.
Perhaps I missed a bunch of posts, but I have not observed that subie
conversion people are overly evangelical ( enthusiastic, yes ) or hysterical
that theirs is perfect and all else is junk.
And I'd be the first one to jump on any 'our way is THE ONLY way' .
Sure, sure, I knew the 996 is watercooled, I just wanted to have some fun.
If it's the engine made for the boxster I was just reading that it was
Porsche's first waterboxer.
The latest road & Track has an article on the Boxster as a Used Car
Classic...in which they list problems.....they had quite some problems with
sealing on that engine ....I should read that article again. They're first
4 valves per cyl production/road car engine too I think.
Well ! maybe I'm thinking of the 993 then.
I do not in any way claim to know versions and numbers of porsche engines,
but I sure know how to work on this 914-6 car sitting right next to me here
!
And I'd love to see a subaru engine in it actually ! ...
A 2.2 1990's EJ22 subaru engine puts out more power, in a broader band, by
far, than the 2.0 liter 911T engine in the 914-6.
And get this ......it's a 1970 car. The owner's manual says that up to one
and a half quarts of oil consumption per 600 miles is normal ! Metallurgy
and piston ring sealing has come a long way since then. It's all top end
screaming power too, nothing relaxed about it at all, It's hairy, but it's
too hairy all the time. They do subie conversions to 914's too. Vast
improvement.
VW could brag that more engine conversions to other kinds of motors are
done, than on any other make of car ! What a rep to have !
-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
Don Hanson
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 6:51 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: That recent post bashing Tiico..one on Yahoo subaru too.
I am just envious of youse guys with Subie-powered syncro westies. I
will have one eventually, so I lurk over there on your list, trying to
learn all I can before I get going on MY Subi-gon. I just can't resist the
chance to 'tease' because some of your group is so evangelical about the
conversion. They get all huffy and stuff when ever anyone dares to
question if a Subaru-Powered Vanagon is, indeed, the ONE TRUE vanagon.
They seem to think all non-subie conversions, like the Tiico, for example,
should be considered infidel-vanagons, or something like that.
It's all done in good spirits simply for my own amusment and I think I
usually include, in any post where I dare question the Subie transplant,
that I am joking and that I have never driven one and that I intend to try
one very soon..As that Tiico guy just posted, every conversion...in fact
every auto, has it't own share of problems..and I just don't buy it that
the Subie conversion is an angel-a perfect trouble free swap, intstant
Nirvana...
Now Scott, you of all people should be that aware the 996 twin turbo
Porsche is a designed from scratch *water cooled boxer six*, making huge
torque and hp with it's two turbos. Close to 600 at the rear wheels, if I
recall. It was the 993 Porsche that was most like the WBX motor in that
they took the old 911 air cooled six and tried to water cool it with just
the heads...
Ciao,
Don Hanson
On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 17:52:58 -0700, Jake de Villiers
<crescentbeachguitar@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>If you were REALLY happy with your motor you wouldn't be hanging out on the
>SubaruVanagon List! :)
>Wait until you drive a Subie powered van before you close your mind, Don -
>its a rewarding experience.
>
>Porsche power here: http://pagetuner.com/vanagon/
>
>I can't find Bruce Nadig's site documenting the installation of the Porche
>drivetrain in his van............it was very nicely done and fast too, but
I
>don't think it was a poptop either.
>
>
>On 11/1/07, Scott Daniel - Shazam <scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
>>
>> Well isn't that an air-cooled porsche engine ?
>> Of course it would be lousy in a vanagon, no real heaters etc.
>> And nothing to burb or bleed - where's the fun in that ! ? ?
>> Scotty
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