Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 07:07:53 -0600
Reply-To: Leslie Schwartz <lhs_emf@PACBELL.NET>
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From: Leslie Schwartz <lhs_emf@PACBELL.NET>
Subject: Re: Marine Corps Birthday today
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The troops are victims, the Iraqis are victims, we and our "democracy" such as what is left of it are victims.
The attacks on 9/11/01 were a false flag operation, as was the sinking of the Maine, as was the Gulf of Tonkin incident, as was the
firebombing of the Reichstag; ETC.
Some people want war, they make money off of it they are not above pulling off false flag attacks to heard the dumb public into
supporting the war or giving up their liberties which makes it that much easier for those in power to steal from the treasures.
My father told me a long time ago, that the same thing that happened in Europe and Germany would happen here. He was a European
immigrant a survivor of WWII, a war refugee.
I didn't believe him, I was young and I believed the propaganda, "It can't happen here". Now I know better.
"Our lives begin to end the day we become 'silent' about things that matter." -- Martin Luther King, Jr.
-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of John Dillon
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 6:43 AM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: Marine Corps Birthday today
Man have you been brain washed .. I'm not sure why one group of facists
fighting another group of facists is so ...'right' ... but I guess .. you do
have the 'liberty' to believe anything you like ... and to express that
belief .. just so long as it is what everyone else believes.
I figure ... re: the 'support out troops' message .. if you believe (as many
right thinking people do) that the travesty that is going on in Iraq and
Afganistan is just plain immoral .. if you believe that 'supporting the
troops' is just prolonging that immoral war and the inevitable conclusion ..
and by prolonging it the result will be more Canadians (and Americans) dead
.. then you are not doing the 'troops' any favours by supporting them!
I had to respond to this as it is my nature ... be glad to respond further
on a private basis!
jdd
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Egeln" <regnsuzanne@YAHOO.COM>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: Marine Corps Birthday today
> Not everyone believes this is a "purposeless, misguided war", least of all
> those that have fought it. Most, perhaps not all, sailors, soldiers and
> marines believe strongly that their service in Iraq has a powerful
> purpose. Granted the purpose is not obvious, and very difficult to
> understand, but looking deeply into it, the war does serve our national
> interest and national security, as well as being morally just.....namely
> fighting a brutal form of fascism, bringing liberty to an enslaved people,
> securing a base to promote the freedom of many millions more, who by their
> own efforts may follow the example of the Iraqi people. We lost many more
> men 60 years ago fighting another brutal form of fascism. Liberty
> prevailed then, and it will prevail now.
>
> Unfortunately it has been, and remains, a very difficult war to execute,
> and mistakes have been made. To a people used to instant gratification it
> has been extremely frustrating. But I strongly feel that in the end the
> Middle East will become a better place for the people living there and for
> us.
>
> Now back to your regularly scheduled vanagon programming.
>
> Anthony (USN-RET)
> '89 Syncro GL (Hidalgo)
>
>
> Geza Polony <gezapolony@SBCGLOBAL.NET> wrote: Those of us who believe
> recent wars to be counterproductive to American
> interests are put in a bind on days like this: While we appreciate the
> bravery and self-sacrifice of those who put themselves in harm's way, we
> believe the wars they fought were mistakes, and so feel conflicted
> expressing gratitude. If everyone had refused to fight the purposeless,
> misguided war in Iraq, for example, we would not be be faced with the
> disaster we are in now. The decision to begin this war was not made by
> 18-year- old high schoolers from Kentucky or wherever, yet without them it
> could not have been fought. How do you thank those who have unknowingly
> precipitated a catastrophe?
>
>
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