Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:22:11 -0800
Reply-To: mike <mwmiller@CWNET.COM>
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From: mike <mwmiller@CWNET.COM>
Subject: Re: Subaru Boxer TURBO Diesel NVC
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You mean Nissan was falling?
I drove a Renault in Europe last year, Megaine. Very nice car. Handled
pretty well, went fairly fast and got good mileage. Even seemed to be stuck
together well, not as good as Toyota but nearly.
I was so impressed I bought the Nissan version, Versa it's called here in
the US. Not as good but OK except the gas mileage sucks.
Mike
On 11/13/07 4:26 PM, "Andrew Grebneff"
<andrew.grebneff@STONEBOW.OTAGO.AC.NZ> wrote:
>> Toyota owns part of Subaru now ?
>> If you know any more , I'd like to know please.
>> That's both good and bad news
>> Scott
>> www.turbovans.com
>
> All I can say is what I remember from an article in Australian
> "Wheels" magazine. Apparently GM has sold its interests in Subaru
> (phew!!) and Toyota bought enough shares to gain a majority (possibly
> a small majority). It might be possible to find the reference in the
> website <www.wheelsmag.com.au>.
>
> For Vanagon content, back in 1985 "Wheels" tested the Caravelle GL
> against the Frod-badged Mazda Bongo, Isuzu Fargo and "Tarago"-badged
> Toyota Masterace. The VW was a 2-tone-blue one identical to my 85,
> except that theirs had a sunroof. Same midblue velor interior with
> blue-checked inserts.
>
>> And Renault has a controlling interest in Nissan. The world
>> continues to shrink under the corporate states.
>
> Renault was falling fast, and without a takeover it was doomed.
>
> From the results, I think I'd rather have seen it fail... cars even
> worse that it had before the collapse...
>
> I believe that, like Chrysler by Mercedes, Nissan was a complete
> buyout. Unlike Mazda, which is only controlled now by Frod (large
> majority), but not owned outright.
>
> It's not a bad thing to see companies that cannot make decent
> products fail. Never mind the job losses. Rover is gone (again).
> Lada, Moskovitch, Wartburg... I guess Mercedes bought ZIL? Hopefully
> Chrysler/Jeep, GM (US), Frod (US) will follow... or else source their
> designs from overseas divisions, as GM-US is doing with the so-called
> "Pontiac GTO" (a rebadged Holden Monaro, coupe variant of the
> Commodore sedan). Maybe Frod could import rebadged Tatas from India?
> Maybe Porsche will buy VW and teach it where it went wrong (putting
> engines in inappropriate places, for a start)?
>
> Hmmm... now, how would a Spaniard pronounce "jeep"? See, they know...
> --
> Andrew Grebneff
> Dunedin
> New Zealand
> Fossil preparator
> Seashell, Macintosh, VW/Toyota van nut
> ‚ Opinions stated are mine, not of the University of Otago
> "There is water at the bottom of the ocean" - Talking Heads
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