Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:10:41 -0800
Reply-To: David Marshall <mailinglist@FASTFORWARD.CA>
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From: David Marshall <mailinglist@FASTFORWARD.CA>
Subject: Re: 15 degree engine? Why that?
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Another reason for the 15 degree and probably the major one... all engines
since 1999 have different oil pan and motor mount mountings than the 1975
to 1998 engines. The original 50 degree Diesel parts simple won't
fit these engines. Also, when it comes to turbo engines, you start
having to mess around with the angle of the turbo - this is easier on the
early engines, impossible on the later ones as the hot side of the turbo
and the manifold are all one piece. I am not saying that it can't be
done, it is just beyond the ability of most home and small time mechanics
to fabricate all the necessary parts to do it right. If you are
paying someone to make these parts it will be very expensive. Really
it is one of those several cases of beer and many long winter nights
projects.
David Marshall
http://www.hasenwerk.ca
http://www.fastforward.ca
Box 4153, Quesnel BC, Canada V2J
3J2
On Thu, November 8, 2007 15:17, neil N wrote:
> Hey
Don et al.
>
> This is long winded. Brace yerselves!
>
> Honestly I'm still "torn", but here's why I'm
leaning toward the 15
> degree install.
>
> a
*little* less money.
>
> KEP kit (adapter
plate/flywheel/pilot bearing) vs. typical price of DV
> parts. I
have seen listings anywhere from $500-1000 or slightly more
> for
DV parts. At $500 I've noticed some pieces are missing. The KEP
>
should come in at $510 plus shipping. Also it should be less money as
> I won't need to buy 1.8 head and related parts.
>
> Less fidding with engine.
>
> It's my first swap,
so want to keep variables, in terms of engine
> mechanics, down to
a minimum. I know how to swap head/pan etc., (I
> sucessfully did
the head on my old diesel Rabbit and 62' Chevy 6 cyl.)
> but would
rather not mess with things. Besides, I have already
> completely
rebuilt my clutch housing, the clutch is still good, plus I
> have
a spare clutch and starter for this setup. If I were to put in a
>
new clutch disk/plate, things would be basically new from face of
> tranny to end of crank. Plus I'll be getting a relatively low KM
donor
> ABA. Around 130K KM's. This sounds like a less dicey
arrangement for
> my needs.
>
> Engine
support.
>
> One has to make, or have made, the support
for the engine. I am
> interested in learning a bit about MIG
welding so I "see the sport" in
> this aspect and would
be happy learning even more aspects of
> conversions while doing
this project. But, IMHO, making the support
> may be one potential
deal breaker for most people, hence the 50 degree
> approach.
>
> Everyone has different needs/situation. The 50 degree
looks
> attractive, but for my first effort, I'd rather not be
swapping head
> out (I understand the 1.8 head on ABA 2.0 is best
for this install),
> swapping in all the FI stuff for the 1.8 head
and DV parts onto the
> ABA. It's more than people realize. i.e.
one other detail: IMHO, it's
> best to install a windage tray in
the oil pan at the 50 degree angle
> mount though not absolutely
neccesary. There may be other details as
> relates to the head
swap, but I can't recall right now.
>
> Some would think
I'm nuts (not saying you do) for gambling on trying
> to MIG weld
a support and for losing a bit of room in the rear. But I
> will
find it interesting to learn a bit about MIG welding. Maybe even
>
enough to be able to do some fabbing for other projects.
>
> As for projetc costs, I will try to keep this project budget
under
> $2000 as this bus is no "prize". i.e. not worth
investing too much
> more. Another reason I went this route. As it
stands, the donor car
> and KEP stuff should come in at $1100-ish.
Obviously I"m not counting
> the welder in this. Price for
having a fabricating shop make support?
> Dunno.....
>
> Anyhow, these are my reasons for now. We'll see what the reality
is
> once I get my hands in there and wrap my head around all of
this.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Neil.
>
> --
> Neil Nicholson. 1981 Air Cooled Westfalia -
> "Jaco" (Bustorius)
>
>
http://web.mac.com/tubaneil
>
>
>
>
> On 11/8/07, Don Hanson <dhanson@gorge.net> wrote:
>> Just curious. Am I missing something? Why does the 15
degree engine
>> transplant keep getting questions? It seems
pretty wrong..like there
>> are
>> all kinds of
reasons why you ( well, reasons that *I* would consider as
>>
'deal-breakers') wouldn't probably choose to do it that way..Unless I
>> am
>> missing something, the diesel type 50 degree
install seems like a
>> no-brainer..It fits under, has just as
much clearance as a regular van,
>> no
>> messing
inside the motor or swapping major components around with other
>> motors..Cheap as dirt and dead-nuts reliable..How many Rabbits,
Golfs,
>> Jettas etc are out there running on and on? Anywhere
in the world you
>> can
>> find a mechanic that will
know how to work on the inline four VW motors,
>> and
>> if you don't want to bother fixing it, should it ever break,
just get
>> another from the junkyard for a few hundred
bucks..
>> Would a 15 degree install be cheaper somehow?
>>
>> Just curious...Not saying there is anything
wrong, if that is what you
>> want to do.
>> Don
Hanson
>>
>
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