Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:21:55 -0800
Reply-To: Aristotle Sagan <killer.jupiter@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Aristotle Sagan <killer.jupiter@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Turning Circles in your mind. ;)
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Obviously no one owns a Fiat 850 in your neighborhood.
Where did you find an alley in San Jose anyway? There aren't many here.
tim in san jose
On 11/16/07, David Kao <dtkao0205@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> My god, unca Joel, how do you know my Vanagon is the only vehicle that
> can turn around in the alley in my neighborhood without having to stop and
> move backward then try again?
>
> David
>
> --- joel walker <jwalker17@EARTHLINK.NET> wrote:
>
> > > Martin, I don't know why you say this about the turning radius. My
> > > 82-88
> > > owners manuals all give the same turning radius with no distinction
> > > made
> > > between manual and PS. Do you have technical data that shows a
> > > difference?
> >
> > in the 1985 vanagon brochure from VW, it sez:
> >
> > "Turning circle: 35.1 feet (37.7 feet with power steering)"
> > same thing in the 1986 brochure.
> >
> > in the 1980 camper brochure,it sez:
> > "turning circle,curb to curb: 34.5 feet /10.5 m."
> > same in the 1983 brochure.
> >
> >
> > in the 1988 brochure, it sez only:
> > "turning circle 35.8 feet"
> > no mention of power steering.
> > same in the 1989 brochure.
> > and in the 1991 brochure.
> >
> > so it looks like vw just put whatever number they felt like would sell
> > the bus. which usually is the lower/smaller one.
> >
> > i know that my 1986 bus WITH power steering did NOT turn as sharply as
> > my 1980 bus WITHOUT power steering. it seemed more like 3 feet
> > difference to me ... the 1980 bus could whip around on a two lane road
> > without getting too far off the pavement on either side, but the 1986
> > bus would get off into the grass on the side of the road. :(
> >
> > now, there's also one other factor to consider:
> > the size of the steering wheel.
> > with NON-power steering, the wheel is bigger, and you can put a bit
> > more force/torque and haul that sucker around quicker. in my opinion.
> > with the smaller WITH-power steering wheel, the wheel is smaller and
> > you kinda have to grab at it more times to get completely locked to
> > one side.
> >
> > or it's a combination of the two: the power steering difference in
> > geometry somewhere down under there, and the size of the steering
> > wheel.
> >
> > anybody even run power steering with the non-power-steering steering
> > wheel? wonder if it would make the steering too twitchy?
> >
> > interestingly enough, in the 1997 eurovan camper brochure (the
> > winnebago one), it doesn't even list the turning circle. anybody know
> > how the eurovan compares to the vanagon in turning circle?
> >
> > joel
> >
>
>
>
>
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