Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:10:30 -0800
Reply-To: David Kao <dtkao0205@YAHOO.COM>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: David Kao <dtkao0205@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Turning Circles in your mind. ;)
In-Reply-To: <010701c82879$930ebe70$81589904@gpa207joel>
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My god, unca Joel, how do you know my Vanagon is the only vehicle that
can turn around in the alley in my neighborhood without having to stop and
move backward then try again?
David
--- joel walker <jwalker17@EARTHLINK.NET> wrote:
> > Martin, I don't know why you say this about the turning radius. My
> > 82-88
> > owners manuals all give the same turning radius with no distinction
> > made
> > between manual and PS. Do you have technical data that shows a
> > difference?
>
> in the 1985 vanagon brochure from VW, it sez:
>
> "Turning circle: 35.1 feet (37.7 feet with power steering)"
> same thing in the 1986 brochure.
>
> in the 1980 camper brochure,it sez:
> "turning circle,curb to curb: 34.5 feet /10.5 m."
> same in the 1983 brochure.
>
>
> in the 1988 brochure, it sez only:
> "turning circle 35.8 feet"
> no mention of power steering.
> same in the 1989 brochure.
> and in the 1991 brochure.
>
> so it looks like vw just put whatever number they felt like would sell
> the bus. which usually is the lower/smaller one.
>
> i know that my 1986 bus WITH power steering did NOT turn as sharply as
> my 1980 bus WITHOUT power steering. it seemed more like 3 feet
> difference to me ... the 1980 bus could whip around on a two lane road
> without getting too far off the pavement on either side, but the 1986
> bus would get off into the grass on the side of the road. :(
>
> now, there's also one other factor to consider:
> the size of the steering wheel.
> with NON-power steering, the wheel is bigger, and you can put a bit
> more force/torque and haul that sucker around quicker. in my opinion.
> with the smaller WITH-power steering wheel, the wheel is smaller and
> you kinda have to grab at it more times to get completely locked to
> one side.
>
> or it's a combination of the two: the power steering difference in
> geometry somewhere down under there, and the size of the steering
> wheel.
>
> anybody even run power steering with the non-power-steering steering
> wheel? wonder if it would make the steering too twitchy?
>
> interestingly enough, in the 1997 eurovan camper brochure (the
> winnebago one), it doesn't even list the turning circle. anybody know
> how the eurovan compares to the vanagon in turning circle?
>
> joel
>
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