Date:         Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:43:28 -0400
Reply-To:     David Etter <detter@MAIL.AURACOM.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         David Etter <detter@MAIL.AURACOM.COM>
Subject:      Re: Buying Vans on e-Bay
In-Reply-To:  <4d1b79350712031630la61ce7fx1bb190fc08c82246@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Jim:
         That is soo scary !!

I have tried very hard over my 50+ e-Bay transactions to remain open
and as cooperative as possible. What you said (about someone stealing
your acct. info.) scares me to no end. For two days running this
week, I got fake e-bay customer replies demanding I return his
money.???? Or else he would have e-Bay revoke my account. I read it
again after reading your message and figured that someone had stolen
my info and sold some fictional Camera to some unfortunate bloke.
        I reported the first one to e-Bay and they replied that it
was 'Phisshing' and not to worry. Hell!  How did they get my e-mail
address in the first place?
        I treasure my credit rating and would hate to have to fight
e-Bay to have my acct reinstated, knowing how hard they were to deal
with in the past.

>for Jeff to write..." I think it is utterly ridiculous that people
>expect eBay to be responsible
>>  for correctness of the ads placed on thier site.  Does your local paper
>>  come
>  to your house and check the VIN on the car you're selling?"
        If it was a local paper or on Craigslist, I'd drive over to
see the vehicle, but e-Bay is advertising the fact that on-line
purchases are safe and secure.. Something that the local paper and
craigslist does not. Were it not so then nobody would buy on-line.

Thanks for the heads-up.

                                                David(dsl82westy)


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>I agree with what you say, but would like to add one thing. I've done over a
>hundred and fifty transactions on ebay, so I no pro but no newbie either.
>All my transactions have been good, I have to say. But a few years back I
>had looked at something vanagon-oriented, but it turned out to be in the UK
>so I didn't pursue it further. I may have asked the vendor a question.
>I did not buy, sell, or look at anything else for about two weeks before
>that and a week after, so I figure this incident was related to the only
>other ebay event during that time period. In that week after, ebay sent me a
>message about fraudulent activity and killed my account. They weren't
>phishing, they killed it. They gave me a link to make my case for
>reinstatement, and so I did. They were quite chatty. I would send them an
>email through the link, and they would get right back. Within 24 hours, I
>had a new username (which they provided) and a new password which I got to
>edit. We corresponded about six times.
>
>Someone, it seems, was using my account information to list a camcorder that
>did not exist, and they were selling it over and over and the money went
>into an account in Russia.
>
>When I asked them about how someone actually got my old username and
>password for this illegal purpose, the chattiness ceased, immediately. No
>reply. Ever. About anything I asked. They had a problem where people could
>steal user info and use it, and they not only chose not to discuss it, but
>to even admit it.
>
>That's pretty bad. They could prevent a lot of ebay crime by admitting and
>discussing it. They don't deserve to be held to a different standard, but
>they owe the public better than they're giving them.
>
>Jim
>
>On Dec 3, 2007 1:16 PM, VW Doka <vw.doka@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>  How come everyone blames eBay for the criminal activity?  If you got
>>  scammed
>>  from an ad in your local paper, would you go down to the editor's desk a
>>  whine about how life is unfair and they should do something?  Perhaps
>>  stamping your feet and holding your breath would work.
>>
>>  There's no way in the world that eBay can give you more information than
>>  provided for in thier buyer/seller agreements.  The liability involved is
>>  tremendous.  Report the claim to the authorities and let them make legal
>>  inquiries to eBay.  Oh... the authorities aren't really in the position to
>>  help?  Is that eBay's fault?
>>
>>  eBay is a place to place an ad that has the ability to reach millions of
>>  buyers.  If someone is stupid enough to send thousands of dollars to
>  > someone
>>  they don't know, have never talked to, for a vehicle they've never seen,
>>  well... that's just economic Darwinism.
>>
>  > I think it is utterly ridiculous that people expect eBay to be responsible
>>  for correctness of the ads placed on thier site.  Does your local paper
>>  come
>  > to your house and check the VIN on the car you're selling?  How about The
>  > Samba?  Perhaps craigslist?