Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 20:11:42 -0800
Reply-To: Scott Daniel - Shazam <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
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From: Scott Daniel - Shazam <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject: Re: 85 Vanagon - Clutch throw-out level movement ?
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There is a very good reason for not having an adjustment on the hydraulic
clutch mechanism.
No one ever does the adjustment !!
A Honda has a cable with a nut on it that you adjust with your fingers, no
tools needed. A Honda car, accord , prelude etc.
I have seen a Honda prelude with 23,000 miles on it with a clutch so shot
the car could barely creep, all from not doing this simple 10 second
adjustment. And that's an 800 dollar clutch job, on a near new car. And
the consumer will think 'honda's are crap if I need an 800 dollar clutch job
after 23K' when that's not the case at all actually.
It's far better that the TOB run all the time than expecting anyone to
keep it adjusted.
You can take a Honda to a shop and pay 300 dollars for a 'tune up' and they
won't attend to your clutch adjustment or EVEN ADVISE you that it could use
adjusting, or that there is even such an adjustment on the car.
Given all that, I'm very glad it's fully self-adjusting, even if the TOB
does run all the time.
And in practice it's not a problem at all.
Scott
Turbovans.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
neil N
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 6:49 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: 85 Vanagon - Clutch throw-out level moverment ?
Hmm.... I was thinking of a spring/location similar to the ones found on the
old Beetles. But of course there was a 10mm nut (IIRC) that threaded onto
the end of the clutch cable. Obviously a totally different setup.
But hey. What about the spring at the clutch pedal itself? Does it not aid
in "pulling" the hydraulic fluid back thus helping the TO bearing to move
away from the clutch pressure plate fingers?
On Dec 1, 2007 6:28 PM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hydraulic clutches are used like hydraulic lifters. The main purpose is to
> eliminate the need for adjustments. A return sprig would require some type
> of stop that would have to be adjusted as the clutch wears. Same problem
> with disk brakes. No adjustment but they always rub just a bit. I have
> done very few clutch jobs that only needed a release bearing so it really
> is not an issue.
>
> Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
> neil N
> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 9:12 PM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: 85 Vanagon - Clutch throw-out level moverment ?
>
> I recall seeing something about this on the list a while back (last
> summer?)
> IIRC, there was speculation as to whether or not a return spring should
> have
> been designed/installed at the factory.
> Personally I don't know why there isn't one. It seems to me that there is
> great potential for premature throw out bearing wear.
>
> Neil.
>
>
>
> On Dec 1, 2007 5:46 PM, AAG - Larry Word <word_aag@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Tonight, in the middle of bleeding my new master cyl./slave cylinders,
> it
> > dawned on me that I don't understand something about these van's I've
> always
> > taken for granted - without some sort of "return spring" for the
> throwout
> > level (on the bellhousing), what makes the slave cylinder return to its
> > original "upright" position?
> >
> > Is it simply the clutch pressure plate? If so, why do other car manual
> > transmissions/clutch have a return type spring on their system?
> >
> > Thanks for group's insight - I'm always amazed by the good answers I
> > receive from the Vanagon community.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Larry
> > Ga.
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Neil Nicholson. 1981 Air Cooled Westfalia -
> "Jaco" (Bustorius) http://web.mac.com/tubaneil
>
> Engine swap beginings: http://musomuso.googlepages.com/home
>
>
--
Neil Nicholson. 1981 Air Cooled Westfalia -
"Jaco" (Bustorius) http://web.mac.com/tubaneil
Engine swap beginings: http://musomuso.googlepages.com/home
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