Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 04:55:51 -0800
Reply-To: Anthony Zygmunt <tzygmunt@YAHOO.COM>
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From: Anthony Zygmunt <tzygmunt@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: air cooled flooding
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If it has been sitting for 4 years, it is a good idea
to change the fuel lines. This however is not the
problem.
The Bentley's manual has a trouble shooting for the
fuel pressure. I would get a pressure gauge, and
insure that the fuel pressure regulator is working.
Tony Zygmunt
81 Westy
82 Vanagon
--- Scott Daniel - Shazam <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
wrote:
> Well, fuel lines, old or leaking or not will not
> cause the symptom he's
> having.
> Next, the nature of the double relay is more less
> 'yes or no' .........I
> believe.
> It provides, as the poster realizes, power to the
> fuel pump, and to the
> brain.
> Why it's in one relay is a mystery.
> Subsequent vanagon fuel systems have two individual
> separate relays, which
> is only logical.
> I don't think I would call it flooding quite, I
> might call it 'running full
> rich' - or that's what I suspect, but more info
> would help. .
> Or I would suspect that's what might be going on to
> make it run only at WOT.
> I'd consider the tenp sensor that talks the ecu.
> Screwed into the left head
> I believe.
> They can get corrosion there, and cause weirdness.
> Subsequent models of vanagon fuel injection have two
> wires for this
> function, rather than depend on the engine metal for
> a return path.
> Also grounds , there are push-on ground connectors
> hidden under the intake
> manifold that get weak - a real vw joke.
> ALWAYS re-do, clean,
> tighten, etc. all grounds for EFI weirdnesses.
> I happen to have a used double relay for a
> non-california air cooled
> vanagon, btw.
> It 'might' be ok-ish.
> Dig into the checks in the Bentley manual more.
> Scott
> www.turbovans.com
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List
> [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
> neil N
> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 10:45 AM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: air cooled flooding
>
> Although a hackneyed topic (for good reason!) you
> might consider replacing
> the rubber FI lines into and in the engine bay. (use
> properly rated FI hose)
> Even though it hasn't been run much, the lines might
> deteriorate from time.
> It may even be that one is leaking though from the
> sounds of things, you
> would likely have noticed. I imagine the leak would
> have to be quite bad to
> stall out the engine. Regardless......
>
> Not a hard job, and worth piece of mind.
>
> Neil.
>
> --
> Neil Nicholson. 1981 Air Cooled Westfalia -
> "Jaco" (Bustorius) http://web.mac.com/tubaneil
>
> Engine swap beginings:
> http://tubaneil.googlepages.com/
>
>
> On Dec 11, 2007 6:23 AM, ray berthiaume
> <jettaray301@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > hello newbie here. i have a problem with a 1981
> 2.0 afc fed vanagon. got
> > it to run (surprisingly well) after a 4 year nap.
> moving it around on the
> > lawn, i went to start it up and it would only run
> w the gas ped floored. i
> > believe the dual relay is culprit, as the fuel
> pump wiring is dead. i've
> > been troubleshooting it with a jumper wire from
> the pump to battery
> (causing
> > it to run constant). disconnecting the pump causes
> it to run almost good,
> > until it runs out of gas. connecting the pump
> causes immediate flooding. i
> > have a bently and ran the checks on the dual
> relay. it seemed the FI side
> > was not being powered, as there was no power to
> the brain. ran another
> wire
> > to the relay plug to the + coil terminal, powering
> the FI, and it seemed
> to
> > run better. connecting the fuel pump would cause
> it to flood. parts
> > replaced: fuel pump, both filters, all the rubber
> lines, all ignition
> parts,
> > starter, battery. removed the gas tank and gave it
> a kero rinse, pulled
> the
> > injectors, they
> > looked good. been trying to get this going for 3
> months now and don't
> > wanna give up. question is; if the dual relay is
> bad, will it affect the
> FI
> > and fuel delivery causing flooding, or will the FI
> not work at all? i
> > thought if the FI wasn't powered, it wouldn't
> spray fuel at all. just
> wanted
> > to ask before dumping another 100.00 into it.
> thanks
> >
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