Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 13:20:00 -0800
Reply-To: Scott Daniel - Shazam <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
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From: Scott Daniel - Shazam <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject: Re: 2.1wbx + auto trans into 85 GL
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Well, I'd suggest not having any illusions that's just 6 hours work - lol !
Always them out as a unit if you can, THAT is quicker than pulling one,
then the other, considerably so. But once out, I separate them so they're
easier to move around and store.
But go for it. I do engine conversions all the time.
And really, between the engine and the fuel system, there are about 10
signals or wires from the vanagon body to the engine systems - gauge
things, power supply to the ecu, etc.
You need to know what you're doing, and read the wiring diagrams. But the
actual electrical interface is not that much. I'm always going for getting
it running first, and do embellishments later, so in the beginning I might
just keep the 1.9 instrument cluster in at first.
If you do go to put a 90 instrument cluster into an early body, the wires
change some at T14, that plug on the bottom of the instrument cluster. That
connect 'opens up' so you can move the wires in it from one position to
another, so if say tach signal was on pin 6 in an 85, but pin 9 in a 90
......................you can move them over. You figure this out from
Bentley of course.
It helps to always say what your real project and goal is, rather than ask
some question first, and THEN inform other members what you are really
trying to do. Just don't think it's a 6 hour job, but it is perfectly
doable.
The cooling system might be the most work - deciding to adapt the engine to
1.9 cooling system, or the van to 2.1 cooling system. Either way is a lot
of work, but I'd 'do it right' , since you have a whole 90 body to get stuff
from.
Have fun !
Scott
www.turbovans.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
dylan friedman
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 9:47 AM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: 2.1wbx + auto trans into 85 GL
As always I should have explained more......................
What I am looking to do is swap the entire driveline from a 91 Carat into an
85 Westy. The Carat had 60k miles when totaled, front impact and the Westy
needs both engine and trans. I have all the wiring from the Carat intact so
I would rather upgrade the Westy with all the Carat stuff in the engine bay.
I am trying to keep the labor and time way down on this project and not
disassemble either engine. So I don't even plan on separating the engine
from the trans. Out of one and into the other.
Thanks to all who fired off quick replies and step by step for the engine.
df
----- Original Message ----
From: Evan Mac Donald <macdonald1987@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Sent: Sunday, December 9, 2007 12:28:47 PM
Subject: Re: 2.1wbx into 85 GL
There is a great write-up of how-to-do for just this project already
available:
http://www.oldvolkshome.com/19to21.htm
This is the guide I am using right now, to get things set up for my
engine swap in the spring.
dylan friedman <insyncro@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
I am contemplating swapping in a fresh 2.1 wbx in place of a failed 1.9
in a 85 GL. I have numerous late model 2.1 engine bay harnesses and ecus. Is
this a plug and play type swap or is the older wiring from the ignition and
front of van not capable of the swap?
TIA,
dylan
-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
Evan Mac Donald
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 9:56 AM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: 2.1wbx + auto trans into 85 GL
There is no difference in the installation of an auto trans from a '91 to an
auto trans from an '85. My daily driver '85 is right now running the
complete trans from my '91 parts van. The mounts, linkage, everyting is all
the same. The internals between transmissions differ, but we ain't goin'
there! The biggest problem will be swapping the coolant items specific to a
1.9 over, onto your 2.1. The waterpump, thermostat housing, croos-over tube,
etc., etc., will all bolt up, but will need to be swapped. The distibutor is
another notable "keeper". You do not need or really want to change over the
ECU and harness. Lots more trouble than the benefits to be gained.
Just remember to write down somewhere that the engine is not stock....!
dylan friedman <insyncro@yahoo.com> wrote:
As always I should have explained more......................
What I am looking to do is swap the entire driveline from a 91 Carat into an
85 Westy.
The Carat had 60k miles when totaled, front impact and the Westy needs both
engine and trans.
I have all the wiring from the Carat intact so I would rather upgrade the
Westy with all the Carat stuff in the engine bay.
I am trying to keep the labor and time way down on this project and not
disassemble either engine.
So I don't even plan on separating the engine from the trans.
Out of one and into the other.
Thanks to all who fired off quick replies and step by step for the engine.
df
----- Original Message ----
From: Evan Mac Donald <macdonald1987@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Sent: Sunday, December 9, 2007 12:28:47 PM
Subject: Re: 2.1wbx into 85 GL
There is a great write-up of how-to-do for just this project already
available:
http://www.oldvolkshome.com/19to21.htm
This is the guide I am using right now, to get things set up for my engine
swap in the spring.
dylan friedman <insyncro@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
I am contemplating swapping in a fresh 2.1 wbx in place of a failed 1.9 in
a 85 GL.
I have numerous late model 2.1 engine bay harnesses and ecus.
Is this a plug and play type swap or is the older wiring from the ignition
and front of van not capable of the swap?
TIA,
dylan