Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:13:34 -0800
Reply-To: Scott Daniel - Shazam <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
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From: Scott Daniel - Shazam <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject: Re: Municipal camper bans
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Hi.
Thanks very much for the link.
I am sure however, well, just like Chip says, they already have existing
laws that address the problem..........it simply makes no sense that you
couldn't park a vanagon on the street overnight. Over 72 hours, no.
Camping in it, probably have a law against that.
And I can see why they wouldn't want big RV's parked all over.
But a vanagon westy ..............can't imagine they could ever just plan
outlaw ALL parking for a vanagon size vehicle with a pop top.
And you're darn right there are far more serious problem in Oakland , Ca.
Regarding the vehicle code law ............it must include things like
length of time parked, and size of the RV. There have long been laws about
parking RV's in your front yard and that sort of thing, but it can't be
absolute that if it is some form of a camper, however small, it CAN NOT be
parked. Just doesn't make sense at all.
Well, it should be very obvious that government and laws are just out of
control, all over the place. I think the fundamental factor is over
population. And I hate being cynical, but it's really getting to be a joke,
how many laws there are and what extreme restrictions there are.
And I do appreciate that you can't smoke in restaurants and bars anymore,
that you can't panhandle within 50 feet of an ATM, you can't be aggressive
in panhandling etc.
But it is getting ridiculous.
It's crazy many places, but this is why I don't live in California anymore,
nor would I.
I did have 13 quite nice years in Sausalito not that long ago too.
I sill would like to see the precise wording of the proposed law if you have
that, or can paste it in or something. And that's so much for your
'Responsiveness' ! even THAT is getting to be somewhat rare these days it
would appear.
Scott
Turbovans
-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
Geza Polony
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 12:38 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: Municipal camper bans
Ok, here's a link to the Chip Johnson story. His point is that with the
murder rate what it is here, and with so many other problems, why is our
city council worrying about RV parking?
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/12/11/BADGTRT0O.DTL
I followed up on the actual measure, and it prohibits parking of "campers,"
defined in the Calif. vehicle code as, basically, a two or more axle vehicle
containing living or camping equipment (yes, a Westy IS a camper for this
measure.)
Part of the measure allocates $50,000 to put up signs notifying the unwary,
required by state law...this, in a city that can't buy saxophone reeds for
its music classes or put cement in the cracks where the expansion joints
used to be in the larger roads.
If you live in a smaller community where there's ample space off street,
that's one thing. But in a city, outlawing street parking means outlawing
the vehicle, which is the predicament I'm in.
Yes, government's hard at work to make life richer and more rewarding.
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