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Date:         Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:56:57 -0500
Reply-To:     Bob Donalds <donalds1@VERIZON.NET>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Bob Donalds <donalds1@VERIZON.NET>
Subject:      Re: How Much to Rebuild 84 Engine???
Comments: To: -------- <VW4X4@VERIZON.NET>
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yes it does but I think the new rings and so on added to that

Bob

----- Original Message ----- From: "--------" <VW4X4@VERIZON.NET> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 8:45 AM Subject: Re: How Much to Rebuild 84 Engine???

> ""Minor porting"" > > I've done this to 2 engine's I've rebuilt..... clearly > shows.......... > BOB..... Your the man! > > > > Bob Donalds wrote: > >> Please >> there is no fuel for the 112 HP pistons that's almost 10 to 1. The >> gain in >> HP per point of compression is 4% If you have the octane and you don't. I >> have a used set of 10 to 1 piston on the shelf they look like they >> have been >> hit with a shot gun blast of bird shot. >> knock knock who's there >> There are much better ways to make more power than boosting compression. >> Minor porting properly done valve job checking cylinders bores for >> taper and >> out of round and correcting that plus attention to tuning will give >> you more >> than 4% >> The loss of power with too much compression and detonation is a much >> larger >> % as Lucas at go westy will tell you, >> He has been dropping his compression ratios as time goes by on all his >> big >> motors >> >> http://www.misterfixit.com/deton.htm a primer on this subject >> >> I am willing to sell one or two ECUs with out an engine purchase >> Mileage is always about MPH the ECUs is about power so 16 MPG is low >> but how >> fast are you going >> and how important is the power >> >> Bob Donalds >> Boston Engine >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "VW Doka" <vw.doka@GMAIL.COM> >> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> >> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 4:04 PM >> Subject: Re: How Much to Rebuild 84 Engine??? >> >> >>> No idea on fuel mileage, but you'll have to run premium gas if you're >>> running the 112hp pistons. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Scott Daniel - Shazam [mailto:scottdaniel@turbovans.com] >>> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 12:54 PM >>> To: 'VW Doka' >>> Cc: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >>> Subject: RE: How Much to Rebuild 84 Engine??? >>> >>> >>> Very good, thanks for mentioning that. >>> Any thoughts or experience on my fuel mileage question ? >>> Scott >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On >>> Behalf Of >>> VW Doka >>> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 12:35 PM >>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >>> Subject: Re: How Much to Rebuild 84 Engine??? >>> >>> You don't get the 112hp with just the Euro ECU, you still need the 112hp >>> piston & cylinder set. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Jeff >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com]On Behalf >>> Of Scott Daniel - Shazam >>> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 12:21 PM >>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >>> Subject: Re: How Much to Rebuild 84 Engine??? >>> >>> >>> Hey Bob, >>> All good stuff. You sound like Da Man all right. >>> I have one westy running with a 2.1 engine but the 1.9 fuel system, >>> and it >>> does seem to go quite well. ( it's for sale btw ) So my interest in >>> that >>> configuration is high right now. >>> On those euro ECU's ....................I gather you don't want to sell >>> one, but what I'm wondering is about fuel mileage with one of those >>> ecu's. >>> It makes it a 110 hp engine, I believe, right ? >>> Does fuel mileage suffer especially with that set up ? >>> >>> Currently I'm running a 2.1 with digifant in an 85 Wolfsburg weekend >>> with >>> auto trans and it's a 16 mpg van on the highway. Not acceptable. >>> So tell me about your euro ecu's and fuel mileage please . >>> Thanks , scott >>> www.turbovans.com >>> Oregon >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On >>> Behalf Of >>> Bob Donalds >>> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 5:06 AM >>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >>> Subject: Re: How Much to Rebuild 84 Engine??? >>> >>> I do 1.9 engines current price is $2750 >>> The 1.9 case has the same type of main bearing as the aircooled bug >>> with a >>> differant larger rear main next to the flywheel. There is 2 problems >>> rebuilding the 1.9 lower end first there are no align bore bearings >>> availible. the second >>> problem is that most most reasssmblers dont bother to measure the >>> case and >>> just toss in a st of std OD bearings. >>> Yes this will last past most warrantees with a nice heavy duty oil >>> pump to >>> keep the oil light out at idle but is this the kind of quaitly your >>> looking >>> for I think not. >>> >>> So your asking why I offer 1.9 engines if there are no bearings and they >>> dont last. I have had made a over size rear main bearing and use the bug >>> align bore bearing for the front three mains. I can also align bore any >>> flat >>> 4 engine block >>> with my Rotler boring bar. >>> >>> My recomendation for your van is upgrade your van to the 2.1 engine it >>> bolts >>> right in and the 1.9 components work. >>> The cost for this would be $2750 for the longblock plus core $600 as >>> this >>> is >>> an outright sale. This also saves you the return freight of $150 >>> >>> The bonus with using the digjet injection on the larger 2.1 engine is >>> that >>> the European ECU can be used >>> I do have a few left for sale to my engine customers >>> >>> Bob Donalds >>> http://www.bostonengine.com >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "shawn clark" <shawnclark77@YAHOO.COM> >>> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> >>> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 1:54 AM >>> Subject: How Much to Rebuild 84 Engine??? >>> >>> >>>> Does any one know an estimate of how much it would cost to rebuilt >>>> an 84 >>>> vanagon ? >>>> >>>> And does anyone know of a place to get it rebuilt in the dallas/ fort >>>> worth area?? >>>> >>>> I would greatly appreciate the advice! >>>> >>>> thanks, >>>> shawn (new westy owner) >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------- >>>> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! >>>> Search. >>> >>


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