Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:35:14 -0800
Reply-To: Mike Miller <mwmiller@CWNET.COM>
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From: Mike Miller <mwmiller@CWNET.COM>
Subject: Re: Air mass meters Go Westy
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Oops. I might have made a slight error.
I was talking to someone who knew what he was doing but I didn't and I might
have told him the wrong thingy. The higher price sounds more in line with
what other things I have heard so I must have been asking about something
else indeed.
Sorry,
Mike
On 12/21/07 5:20 PM, "VW Doka" <vw.doka@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> Don't know why they pulled these. I was down there a few weeks ago and they
> were still selling them. Not for $230 though... I believe the price was
> $695/exchange. I know for a fact it was $600+.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jeff
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com]On Behalf
> Of Jim Akiba
> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 4:40 PM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: Air mass meters Go Westy
>
>
> Ah... interesting. I asked them about this at SDM07. During the course
> of development of our AFM/MAF translator, we discovered after the
> second rev that our entire approach was wrong, wasn't going to work,
> even though it appeared to and would actually work most of the time
> which is what lead us down that path to begin with(and explains why
> they have a few people running them, apparently fine, I wonder if all
> the people that tried them had them working ok). Perhaps they've hit
> the same issue.
>
> The split second maf translator that they were using shouldn't be
> capable of doing the translation correctly according to what I know
> now, as it functions just like the early boards we made. We have
> Boston Bob's buddy george thinking about how to pull off the new
> design. But man if they can get it working for $230.. that's awesome.
> The split second maf translator retails for like $339 alone... and the
> Ford MAF sensor they use isn't free either...
>
> The upside and downside of their design has to be to put it in the
> original airbox, great for flying under CA smog radar just like their
> stroker motors, but you don't get the real benefit which is ditching
> that airbox and that nasty nasty elbow. On the dyno with the early
> boards and focus MAF we saw 10-12% gains in HP and torque when we
> pulled that old airbox and elbow out... since it caused a 1PSI
> depression at 5k rpm... 1 PSI!!! It's like adding a turbo that boosts
> to 1PSI just by removing that mess. Only problem is the intake
> resonance causes a mid-frequency hum which was also a PITA to
> remove(which lucas confirmed with me they had when they tried it sans
> airbox too). We lucked out and stumbled across an intake design that
> kills the hum... I welded up an aluminum intake piece just to get the
> ford maf onto the intake, get the breather and IAC plumbed in, and
> test the first boards. But as it turned out, it was just the right
> length and configuration to kill the hum... talk about serendipity..
> it would have taken me days of reading and hours of mistakes in math
> to even come close to getting it right on purpose ha.
>
> Jim Akiba
>
>
>
>
> On 12/21/07, Mike Miller <mwmiller@cwnet.com> wrote:
>> Just called GoWesty and they are not selling these for a while. Had some
>> bugs in them that are being worked out.
>>
>> Were selling for $230 or so. Which I'd definitely consider.
>>
>> Mike
>>
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