Vanagon EuroVan
Previous messageNext messagePrevious in topicNext in topicPrevious by same authorNext by same authorPrevious page (December 2007, week 4)Back to main VANAGON pageJoin or leave VANAGON (or change settings)ReplyPost a new messageSearchProportional fontNon-proportional font
Date:         Mon, 24 Dec 2007 23:46:11 -0500
Reply-To:     robert feller <syncro.carboncow@GMAIL.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         robert feller <syncro.carboncow@GMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: lost brake line...
Comments: To: Scott Daniel - Shazam <scottdaniel@turbovans.com>
In-Reply-To:  <005a01c846af$5e50e4c0$6401a8c0@TOSHIBALAP>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

I will do it all regardless ASAP but my priority is this fix, once I get under there to tackle it I'll get to see the rest. Hoping the PO did the backs but have not heard from him today to confirm.

On Dec 24, 2007 11:33 PM, Scott Daniel - Shazam <scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:

> I think we are concerned that there might be serious corrosion > everywhere. ;-) > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* robert feller [mailto:syncro.carboncow@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Monday, December 24, 2007 8:27 PM > > *To:* Scott Daniel - Shazam > *Cc:* vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com > *Subject:* Re: lost brake line... > > > > Does anyone know if there is ever corrosion ahead of the "t" valve? > > Shawn > > On Dec 24, 2007 11:19 PM, Scott Daniel - Shazam <scottdaniel@turbovans.com > > wrote: > > You might be thinking of the line pressure for the rear brakes AFTER the > brake limiting valve in the front. That is in the Bentley book. > > There's no reason they'd mention that max pressure that's ever likely to > be reached. > > > > I think I might have gotten that number from a racing brake shop I dealt > with for a while over a rear disc brake setup on a syncro that just did not > produce the stopping power I expected. We went over everything ....pedal > ratio, master cylinder piston diameter, caliper piston diameter, rear brake > cylinder diameter etc........along in that process somewhere this racing > brake engineer guy told me that going extremely high on brake line pressure > to produce more stopping power was not a good thing. > > It could be some other value than 2,000 psi. I tend to think in > principles of what works and not so much in absolute numbers, but if I was > guessing on a test, that's the number I would name. > > Scott > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* robert feller [mailto:syncro.carboncow@gmail.com] > > *Sent:* Monday, December 24, 2007 8:02 PM > > > *To:* Scott Daniel - Shazam > *Cc:* vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com > *Subject:* Re: lost brake line... > > > > a heck I did mean to say that I felt Bentley mentioned a lower pressure > then what you stated, but I could be very wrong w/o having one near me. > > On Dec 24, 2007 11:00 PM, robert feller < syncro.carboncow@gmail.com> > wrote: > > I would agree to error on the side of caution with this one for sure. I do > believe (although I don't have it with me) that the brake lines are under > only hundreds of lbs of pressure, but I could be brain farting. > > Now are not the connection to the valve block and brake a compression > fitting too? > > > > On Dec 24, 2007 10:56 PM, Scott Daniel - Shazam <scottdaniel@turbovans.com > > wrote: > > Particularly in the vw world there is a lot of poor or mis-information. > > The author would have you think compression fittings in brake lines are > just fine. > > It's a hack repair. > > Might work for a good long time even, but it's not right. > > There's up to 2,000 psi I believe in brake lines. > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* robert feller [mailto:syncro.carboncow@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Monday, December 24, 2007 7:38 PM > *To:* Scott Daniel - Shazam > *Cc:* vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com > *Subject:* Re: lost brake line... > > > > Gang, > > Just to answer my curious mind, you guys mention a "no no" for compression > fittings. I found this site on the topic (vw too!) and he is juntioning new > and old lines together: http://volksweb.relitech.com/brakeln.htm > > He talks about compression fittings, is this the "no-no" you metion? > > Shawn > > On Dec 24, 2007 10:05 PM, Scott Daniel - Shazam < > scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote: > > Hey Shawn, you've seen Ken's post by now. Metric brake lines are > 'findable' > sometimes. > A nice small bending too is nice to have. > With luck you can find a 'bolt on' metric line of close to the right > length. > If it has to be a little too long that's fine if you mount it properly. > And as ken said, using compression sleeve junctions is never kosher in > brake > lines. > If you end up making a line yourself and need to flare the ends, > There are two kinds of flare - single and double, or bubble as ken called > it. > A single flare tool costs 10 bucks, but will not work at all for your > system. > If you need a double flare end, sometimes you can get a shop with that > capability to do it for you for a few bucks. > Hopefully you'll be able to find a metric line of the right length and > size. > > And you should check all the other lines, though it might be hard o see > through the rust and crude. > Scott > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto: vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf > Of > robert feller > > Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 6:36 PM > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > > Subject: Re: lost brake line... > > Thanks Scott, that is the info I was looking for. I was hoping it didn't > run > all the way to the master cylinder and thus some real fun with a line that > > far! > > So tell me about brake lines.All the same different diameters? Easily > mailable it seems from you comments. Any special little bender tools to > get > the turns "just right"? > > Shawn > > On Dec 24, 2007 8:52 PM, Scott Daniel - Shazam <scottdaniel@turbovans.com> > wrote: > > > Just heat the line upstream of the hole, and bend it over and hammer it > > flat, so it's closed off. > > Then proceed on 3 brakes. > > Or...........the line has to go to a T junction or some fitting. . > Find > > that, perhaps two feet or so from the left front area where it joins > onto > > the hose, remove it, take it to a flaps and match it up, replace and > > bleed. > > > > 'medium hard' , that's how hard it is to do - lol ! Since it sounds > like > > it > > failed from rust, the ends might be very, very rusted and you should > start > > spraying those with PB Blaster penetrating oil right now. And do it > like > > every few hours until you start to work on it. > > > > You absolutely need a tubing nut wrench. 11 mm I think. > > Scott > > www.turbovans.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com ] On Behalf > Of > > robert feller > > Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 5:30 PM > > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > > Subject: lost brake line... > > > > Nice, I own three cars and all three had something happen to them this > > week. > > Relying on the syncro to get me around and to work...but tonight the > pedal > > went to the floor. > > > > Looks like a Ohio rust and a break line went in the front left wheel > well. > > Corrosion beyond belief. > > > > Although it's current location makes it almost impossible to work on I'm > a > > strong DIYer. How rough is repair of the front brake line going to be > and > > what does the procedure entail? The Bentley is not currently where I am > at > > to review. > > > > -- > > Shawn Feller > > Ohio > > www.carboncow.com > > > > > > > -- > Shawn Feller > Ohio > www.carboncow.com > > > > > -- > Shawn Feller > Ohio > www.carboncow.com > > > > -- > > > Shawn Feller > Ohio > www.carboncow.com > > > > > -- > Shawn Feller > Ohio > www.carboncow.com > > > > > -- > Shawn Feller > Ohio > www.carboncow.com >

-- Shawn Feller Ohio www.carboncow.com


Back to: Top of message | Previous page | Main VANAGON page

Please note - During the past 17 years of operation, several gigabytes of Vanagon mail messages have been archived. Searching the entire collection will take up to five minutes to complete. Please be patient!


Return to the archives @ gerry.vanagon.com


The vanagon mailing list archives are copyright (c) 1994-2011, and may not be reproduced without the express written permission of the list administrators. Posting messages to this mailing list grants a license to the mailing list administrators to reproduce the message in a compilation, either printed or electronic. All compilations will be not-for-profit, with any excess proceeds going to the Vanagon mailing list.

Any profits from list compilations go exclusively towards the management and operation of the Vanagon mailing list and vanagon mailing list web site.