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Date:         Tue, 25 Dec 2007 13:41:46 -0500
Reply-To:     Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
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From:         Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: bubble flare
Comments: To: robert feller <syncro.carboncow@GMAIL.COM>
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So here we are on Christmas day looking at the e-mail list. We must be nuts.

Anyway, I hope we all having a Merry Christmas and that for most of us our wishes are coming true. For me, spending time with my family down in Florida is a special treat. Gifts are opened and Kathy is making more cookies and we are looking forward to Turkey dinner tonight. Yum Yum!

Anyway, I can’t believe all these responses for brake lines. Especially for folks in rust areas, regular maintenance needs to include brake line inspections. They give lots or warning and they all rust in the same places.

For repair, the VW uses a metric bubble flare, I think the size is 4.5mm. Standard 3/16 will also work. The bubble flare is needed for wheel cylinders or brake hose connections. For splices depending on fittings used, the double flare is the next choice and is used on most American cars.

Pre-flared bubble flared tubing is available at many good flaps. A small tubing bender will help make the tight bends without kinks. I persoannly like using the OEM tube and fittings. Bends easily, seamless and coated. I also get the nuts and clips OEM.

Stainless tubing is also available but it is expensive and can fatigue crack. Some paint or under coating will take care of future corrosion issues and lets be honest, the stuff that failed is 20 years old.

Tubing and brake parts can also corrode from the inside out. Frequent brake fluid changes will reduce or eliminate this.

Merry Christmas,

Dennis

-----Original Message----- From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of robert feller Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 11:15 PM To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM Subject: Re: bubble flare

Scott,

Obviously I'm learning from you guys tonight but from the few DIY sites I've been to for brake line repair it appears there are single, double and bubble flares. The double and bubble are often discribed as the two main types but different.

Here is one of many pages I've read (see top paragraph), I'm interested in any comments agreeing (or disagreeing) with the author:

http://www.pharmacy.arizona.edu/staff/wunz/NoABSTCS/DoubleFlare.html

On Dec 24, 2007 11:09 PM, Scott Daniel - Shazam <scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:

> No, the hope is you can find a metric line of the right size with the ends > already done right on it. > No such think ( except in mexico in an emergency ) as converting a single > flare to a bubble flair I don't think. > > On the two types of flare - I would call the bottom flare in the picture a > 'single flair' > And the top one a double or bubble flair. If that's not correct, someone > let > me know. > s. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of > robert feller > Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 7:48 PM > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > Subject: bubble flare > > So are we stating that I most likly will find the metric line but NOT the > needed bubble flare at FLAPS? thus I'll need the tool ken mentions > (expensive) to convert a double flare to a bubble flare? > > Again I reference this site for bubble vs. double: > http://volksweb.relitech.com/brakeln.htm > > -- > Shawn Feller > Ohio > www.carboncow.com > >

-- Shawn Feller Ohio www.carboncow.com


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