Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 17:18:30 -0500
Reply-To: Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
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From: Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: brake line: part 2
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That definitely looks like the wrong flare. Yes, I have seen it work but
it is not correct.
The tee is a cad plated steel tee, not brass. I usually replace it when
doing major line surgery. You will also need the mounting screw. Make up
the new lines with the tee loose and after connecting the new lines to it,
secure it in place. The line going up to the master can be spliced but be
careful the line does not split when re-flared due to any deep corrosion.
You can get bubble style connecting pieces (splices) also.
Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
robert feller
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 4:21 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: brake line: part 2
Scott,
Take a look at these photos for me, I'm rather confused (again) on the
fittings.
Image1:
http://carboncow.net/php/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album177&id=
20071225_00063_001
is the where the hose meets the caliper line, this is the hardline fitting
I
would expect to see, is this not the bubble flange?
Image2:
http://carboncow.net/php/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album177&id=
20071225_00066
This is the bracket where the hose (flex line) meets the hardline on the
way
to the T, it snapped in my hands at the T. Now this is NOT the fitting I
expected to see at the bracket, do you agree? Did someone change this on
me
before and I have miss matched flanged ends?
We have no idea at this point how to salvage the bracket as the hose will
not come off it (will on the other end). Additionally, the nut that holds
the hose to the A arm is heavily corroded.
Everything is a worse case scenario!
Shawn
On Dec 25, 2007 4:05 PM, Scott Daniel - Shazam <scottdaniel@turbovans.com>
wrote:
> Hi shawn,
> I was thinking you might end up re-engineering the whole front brake
line
> layout . I'm sure they installed those lines and T's first thing on a
bare
> chassis with new parts and perfect tools for the job at the factory, but
> that sure doesn't help now !
> By 'flex lines' I assume you mean hoses.
> If you can save the bracket that the top end of the hose clips
> into...........you sort of 'must' do that, or fab some other bracket or
> have
> a floppy junction there. Where ever hose meets pipe on all cars there
is
> always a support bracket so no flexing happens to the pipe.
> The hose you can replace easily enough. The brake line you'll replace.
> The bracket which is part of the 'frame' I believe, you need to save.
> And there's just one other part there - a clip like thing, that holds
the
> hose to the bracket, it fits under the nut on the brake line. If your
> rears
> aren't that bad you can look at it back there to see what it's supposed
to
> look like.
> Re-flaring an existing pipe in the van sounds like it's something that
> you'd really like to avoid if at all possible, if not semi-impossible to
> do.
> Relocating things so you can assemble them nicely in place is a find
> idea.
> I'd probably do that myself, nicely and solidly. I think you should
order
> new brass T's. Either from a vw stealership or from a brake specialty
> supplier, or good used from a west coast junk yard. I have parts
vanagons
> which probably have fine used T's on them. PIA to remove them though !
> At least your syncro van didn't get crashed or someone hurt ! And you
do
> have quite a hot ride for a back up, though I sure hear you about not
> wanting to drive it in your conditions !
> Scott
> www.turbovans.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
Of
> robert feller
> Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 12:40 PM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: brake line: part 2
>
> So we crawled around and started to get to work. Both fronts lines need
> replaced and to be quite honest me and another competent mechanic have
no
> idea how you guys get the lines off that "T" where it is placed! There
is
> no
> chance in hell we can get at it well enough, plus the rust looks way to
> caked on. We are guessing the T is toast too.
>
> Additionally, where the hard line meets the flex line the corrosion is
so
> ugly we cannot even determine how the two fit together, so I'm
temporarily
> screwed...and will most likely need new flex lines too!
>
> The line from the master to the T looks great. Has anyone cut and flared
> this and put a 3rd party T up stream a foot or so and then rerun new
> lines?
> We see no way of working with the existing T based on it's location.
>
> --
> Shawn Feller
> Ohio
> www.carboncow.com
>
>
--
Shawn Feller
Ohio
www.carboncow.com
