Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:04:45 -0800
Reply-To: David Marshall <mailinglist@FASTFORWARD.CA>
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From: David Marshall <mailinglist@FASTFORWARD.CA>
Subject: Re: 1985 Vanagon - Ford Focus Engine alternative
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Sounds like an old fashioned indirect injection Diesel...
TDIs
don't use glow plugs until 4C and at -20C they will start without glow
plugs - ask me, I know! :-)
David Marshall
http://www.hasenwerk.ca
http://www.fastforward.ca
Box
4153, Quesnel BC, Canada V2J 3J2
On Fri, January 11, 2008
09:28, John Rodgers wrote:
> My experience with diesels is mostly
in the far north. Shut one othe
> things down in winter and you
will play hell ever getting it started
> again until spring. It
takes a lot of heat to ever get that oil to burn,
> and if that
engine is cold - look out. Diesels don't burn much when
> idling,
and they don't really put out that much heat. My business
>
partner's son drove a diesel from Anchorage to Kenai - about 150 miles
> through the mountains - at 25 below zero with no coolant in the
cooling
> system whatsoever. Didn't hurt the thing at all.Course
this wasn't a
> turbo job, either. Ust normally aspirated.Was a
little truck - Isuzu as
> I recall. I always thought that was sort
of amazing. Wouldn't recommend
> the practice though.
>
> John Rodgers
> 88 GL Driver
>
> Scott
Daniel - Shazam wrote:
>> "smeg" ......?
>> something tells me you didn't preef rood before sending
david.
>>
>> I think your assessments are valid
though.
>> Us US people can't relate to 2500 kg though very
well. Let's see, on
>> pound
>> equals 2.2
K.......... anyway, what is that, 5,500 lbs ?
>>
>>
I agree with you about the torque thing. But there is something wrong
>> with
>> me. I just can not stand diesels. And I
drove a TD vanagon s my only and
>> best and 'do anything' rig,
drove it to Whitehorse YK even.........and
>> was
>>
into that for about 8 years. Now I love the smoothness of gasoline. I
>> have
>> diesel vanagon engines is reserve if the
system falls apart, but right
>> now
>> at 3 dollars
per US gallon I'm happy with the smoothens of gasoline. And
>>
the
>> instant gentle starting too.
>> I was so
please to read that New Mexico is enacting law to not allow
>>
diesel trucks to idle there engines. What is it with diesel freaks
>> about
>> idling the damn thing ? I for sure didn't
shut mine off if it was 15
>> degrees
>> F too
often, but otherwise, shut the damn things down please ! no
>>
idling, it
>> pollutes and is noisy.
>> sorry for
the rant ! ....anyway...................
>>
>>
>From what I've read the Zetec is a little buzzy at high rpm's. I
will
>> say
>> thought that I think Jim A is a smart
guy, and really delivers on what
>> he
>> says. We
disagree some - I think an inline 4 is not so natural in a
>>
vanagon,
>> and he thinks opposed engines aren't that great a
layout.
>> Interesting that Subaru ...ahem.............has an
opposed TD engine ,
>> the
>> worlds' first mass
produced one. ( vw actually made a diesel version of
>> their
early bug engine as an experiement ...karl sent me the link, or
>> posted
>> it....had about 26 hp I think....but
subaru who does all right with
>> engines
>> has an
*opposed* 4 cylinder TD engine now. Don't know what the torque
>> is.
>>
>> On your Tourreg there.....the
only reason it has 500 ft lbs of torque or
>> whatever is the
silly American 'it's got to big and hugely powerful to
>> be
>> any good SUV craze.' .............
>> No body needs
that kind of power, UNLESS....they just have to tow their
>>
8,000 foot big power boat or the big trailer. It's overselling 'big
and
>> powerful'. Even ford's basic pick-up, the F-150 is a
6,000 lb monster
>> with a bed lift-to height of about 4 and
half feet. That is DUMB. And
>> they
>> just
'educated' the consumer c that they 'need' that huge powerful
>> stuff.
>> Don't know about your neck of BC, but
where I am, one guy using and
>> empty
>> giant
pick-up truck at about 17 mpg tops in town, like it was a commuter
>> car
>> - that's the norm.
>>
>> But I am very glad you got a toureg, I think the engine and
overall
>> concept
>> is fascinating.....but I don't
like the lack of humbleness about it. But
>> as
>>
long as you enjoy your toureg, that's what's important. And I can't
wait
>> to
>> see some technical issues and
grappling you do with it !
>> And ...really.........that LT VW
van.....that inline vw diesel
>> engine..........you need that
V-10 in there !
>> It's all fun,
>> Scott
>> And how anyone can stand the racket of diesels is beyond me.
And I did
>> one
>> , for years too.
>>
That you can use alternative fuels is the only advantage, and fuel
>> mileage
>> and range of course also.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
Behalf
>> Of
>> David Marshall
>> Sent:
Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:32 PM
>> To:
vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>> Subject: Re: 1985 Vanagon - Ford
Focus Engine alternative
>>
>> Yeah... almost
Friday.
>>
>> My company car is a 2003 Ford
Focus...
>> what a piece of smeg engine... makes lots of noise
when you step on it
>> and
>> when you wiiiiiiind it
out to the top end of the rev range there is a
>> hint
>> of decent power then and then red line and you have to shift.
This
>> is not the engine I would want to put into a 2500kg
westfalia and hope
>> to
>> get anywhere faster than
what it could do with a stock engine.
>>
>> Torque
sells cars and engine conversions, but really torque is what is
>> needed to get our Vanagons going, so a Diesel engine is what
our
>> Vanagons
>> need.
>>
>>
The V8 gasoline Touareg has 350hp and the V10 Diesel
>> Touareg
has 313hp - the *Diesel* will win in a 0 to 100km/h sprint as it
>> has 553ft.lbs or torque at 1800 rpm and the gasser has
324ft.lbs at 3000
>> something in the rpm band. Tourque is
like a drug the more you have
>> the more you want. Once you
drive a Vanagon with lots of torque you
>> will spend the rest
of your life trying to convert the unwashed.
>> :-)
>>
>> David Marshall
>>
>>
http://www.hasenwerk.ca
>> http://www.fastforward.ca
>>
>> Box 4153, Quesnel BC, Canada V2J
>>
3J2
>>
>> On Thu, January 10, 2008 20:22, AAG -
Larry Word wrote:
>>
>>> It's almost Friday -
what is the consensus to date of the group
>>>
>>
installing
>>
>>> 2000 ford focus engine into
Vanagons?
>>>
>>> Any ideas, links, info.,
articles, etc. would be appreciated!
>>>
>>>
Thanks
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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