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Date:         Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:57:57 -0800
Reply-To:     David Kao <dtkao0205@YAHOO.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         David Kao <dtkao0205@YAHOO.COM>
Subject:      Re: Diesel vs. Gas Vanagons?
Comments: To: Mike Miller <mwmiller@cwnet.com>
In-Reply-To:  <C3AD5930.6F8%mwmiller@cwnet.com>
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There is a road sign that says elevation 10,000 ft at the crossroad, where you can take off from the Tioga Pass to go to Saddlebag Lake. I am pretty sure the summit of the Tioga Pass is over 10,000 ft. I could be wrong. But each time I saw that road sign it was kind of wow to me. Yes, the road was built around 50 or 60's. It was a private road. The national park service bought it and it became part of the park. No commercial trucks are allowed on it. So you will never see any 18 wheeler there.

David

--- Mike Miller <mwmiller@cwnet.com> wrote:

> Apropos of almost nothing unless they've built up the road bed a bunch the > top of the pass on the road is just a bit below 10,000. I surveyed for the > road that was rebuilt in the 60's and we had to go off the road up a slope > to find a point right at 10,000 feet so we could set a monument. Kind of > fun, but I was 20 something then. > > Steep it is though. Always wanted to run it. There's a half marathon from > the bottom of the pass to the summit that I've wanted to do but never have. > > Mike > > > On 1/11/08 3:06 PM, "David Kao" <dtkao0205@YAHOO.COM> wrote: > > > Scott: > > > > I have climbed the Tioga Pass so many times. Count 5 last year alone. > > I know that grade very well. The weight and the small power plant of > > stock vanagons make it mandatory to shift to 2nd gear, no exceptions, > > to climb that slope. The summit is over 10,000 feet. If a Diesel Vanagon > > can be comfortable to climb that grade in 2nd gear it is really not bad. > > If it has to be in 1st gear then it's really a dog. I had to do 1st > > gear when climbing over Sonora Pass from the west toward eastern side. > > That's before I rebuilt the engine of my Westy. With a rebuilt engine > > it may be able to do it on 2nd gear. But I doubt it. The Sonora Pass > > is not only steep it is also very long slope. It will give any Vanagon > > a real challenge. The Tioga Pass is not that bad. The slope is shorter. > > No problems to any Vanagon I believe. But each time I climbed over > > the Sonora Pass I always saw a few cars overheated and broke down on > > road side. One spectacular scene there was seeing a few military Hummer > > going over the summit. They beat everything. The soldiers probably floored > > their pedals. They did not need to worry if the hummers would overheat or > > what. They kept going fast... > > > > I am not bragging about anything, Scott. I just happen to know well > > about the routes that go over the Sierra. > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Scott Daniel - Shazam <scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote: > > > >> David, are you bragging about dismal performance, or what ? > >> > >> yeah, that Sonora Pass on the east side, a bit steep, plus altitude there- > >> not the best place for a non-turbo engine. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of > >> David Kao > >> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 1:15 PM > >> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > >> Subject: Re: Diesel vs Gas Vanagons? > >> > >> --- Gary Bawden <goldfieldgary@GMAIL.COM> wrote: > >> > >>> I pulled Tioga Pass (the one over > >>> the Sierra Nevadas going into Yosemite National Park) comfortably in > >> second > >>> gear. > >>> > >>> Gary > >> > >> All OEM gas powered Westy and Vanagons need to shift to 2nd to climb that > >> grade > >> no exceptions. So if diesel powered one can climb comfortably in 2nd that's > >> not > >> bad at all. The Sonora Pass (Hwy 104) is worse. You may need to shift to the > >> first gear and watch engine temp goes through the popup top. > >> > >> David > >> > >> > >> > >> ____________________________________________________________________________ > >> ________ > >> Be a better friend, newshound, and > >> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > >> http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________________ > > ______ > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > >

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