Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 08:48:40 -0500
Reply-To: Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
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From: Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: CV joints - PS
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I don't! If there is any wear or galling that would make any ball
different, it is time for a new joint.
Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
Scott Daniel - Shazam
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 11:03 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: CV joints - PS
Hi again,
You didn't answer my questions about how to keep the balls straight.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Haynes [mailto:d23haynes57@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 6:06 PM
To: 'Scott Daniel - Shazam'; vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: RE: CV joints
FUN BUS has over 254 k on it and the CV's are all original. Boot kits done
as needed. I do not use the grease that comes in the boot kits. It tends
to dry up and turn to tar. When I did the boots at ~132k I used the Mobil
1 synthetic grease-no moly. One of the fronts is now starting clunk during
tight turns. I also use grade 12.9 bolts that I get from McMaster-Carr.
Dennis
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From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
Scott Daniel - Shazam
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 8:26 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: CV joints
All right, then you better get 250,000 miles out of your CV joints.
How do you keep the balls straight ? like know which groove a ball came
from.
They're not marked or color coded or anything.
Have you measured any of the balls with a micrometer to try to find any
measurable difference.
I would think you'd be very, very into 'rotating' your CV's, that is
install
them so they drive the other way.
You'll notice in the groove they get more worn in one area from always
pushing on that one spot.
They can be fitted to the 'push' or drive the other way, to spread out the
wear more evenly over many miles, the same as tire rotation does.
Surely you are also into this nuance of long CV joint life., mmm ?
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
John Rodgers
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 5:02 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: CV joints
Many have commented about NOT putting the balls back into the original
grooves. That aspect of the maintenance of the CV's is one of those GOP
things. Not a political statement, in this case GOP does not stand for
"Grand Old Party" but instead stands for "Good Operating Practice". It
is the cherry on the topping on the cake. It is that little extra thing
that makes the job better than the next guy's.
Consider that the balls and the grooves wear together. They develop a
"wear fit". If you swap the balls around, the fit is now disturbed, and
the balls and groves have to "wear in" again. At the outset, in the new
"ball-in-groove" relationship the wear will be high until the fit has
been worn in. All of this is going to produce extra heat of friction,
and wear, making the parts more loose than in the original position.
Additionally, there will be increased vibration, which in turn will add
to the wear. Now, as a practical matter, there won't be much if any
initial apparent problem of any sort. The CV will prol'ly run many
thousands of miles with no obvious problems, but over time, the life of
the CV will be shortened. It all boils down to how much you care about
the condition of your balls.
Regards,
John Rodgers
88 GL Driver who wants his balls to last forever.
Rob wrote:
> I'm doing CV joints, buying a tube of grease rather than the 4
> initial bags of it was my first (and only so far) mistake. I had to
> put about 1/4 of the tube into a ziplock sandwich bag, zipped it shut
> and cut a corner off to squeeze it into the joints.
> My pitman puller worked GREAT to pull the joint off the shaft, I had
> to take the joint apart first but it works well with zero stress to
> the parts.
> Good directions in the Bentley for reassy the joint.
>
>
>
> Rob
> becida@comcast.net
>
>