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Date:         Sun, 17 Feb 2008 22:46:08 -0800
Reply-To:     Roger Whittaker <rogerwhitt1@GMAIL.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Roger Whittaker <rogerwhitt1@GMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Electric Vanagon?
Comments: To: Scott Daniel - Shazam <scottdaniel@turbovans.com>
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monday coming to end non van talk ...but zincs because of the introduction of salt on winter roads and salt gets into everything ... thats why the zincs yours

On Feb 17, 2008 6:49 PM, Scott Daniel - Shazam <scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:

> Hi, > True Roger, that there isn't electricity everywhere. > But for millions of vehicle-operating people, there is lots of electricity > everywhere they drive. > > And........while it is true that Exxon makes billions.........for us, who > just pay at the pump, it's a big fat 'so what' really, as long as we get > the > magic juice at a price that's within our means. > > Just being able to get gasoline at 3 dollars a gallon 24/7 like we do is a > miracle , a total miracle in itself. > > I think it's immoral for any CEO's to get 10 million dollars per year for > a > paycheck, regardless of industry...........so I sure don't approve of > that. > But that we can get it now........and the extreme effort and expense it > takes to find, extract, ship, and then refine crude oil into fuel products > ,then ship them again..........total miracle that we have what we have > right > now. > Heck, in Europe .........gas is more like 6 dollars a gallon, and more for > diesel I think. I think we're darn lucky actually. > > I'm not aware that electric vehicles require zinc anodes of any sort. > Never > heard of anything like that. Where'd you get that ? > They should even be in regular car and van cooling systems. And there have > been zinc anode radiator caps marketed. > In practice though it doesn't turn out to be that much of an issue > anyway...........galvanic corrosion. > Scott > -----Original Message----- > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of > Roger Whittaker > Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 4:12 PM > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > Subject: Re: Electric Vanagon? > > then we (consumer) will be forced into two vehicles ... > yes yes i know we already often have two ... > but many have only one ..that suffices for the ten mile twice a day work > trip and the once a year drive to the holiday destination ... > the idea of the electric anything requires that there be electricity > available everywhere ... > it is not always the case ... > so we also require gen sets to charge up and supply stuff we tote around > with us > one thing for sure ... > it takes some form of energy to produce energy ... > in the future we will no longer complain about exxon instead it will be > about duracell or interstate > and let us not also forget that with a vehicle running on electricity ... > it will require zincs like a boat ... > or else all metal components will commence electrolysis ... > damn those physicists for inventing that ... > now they control the world ... > evil bast**ds they are ... > > On Feb 17, 2008 3:34 PM, Scott Daniel - Shazam <scottdaniel@turbovans.com> > wrote: > > > Be careful about your assumptions about reliability of an electric > > car/van. > > If their work was good, chances are it's reliable in the extreme. > > I have a friend with an electric vw bug he built - I'll ask him........ > > But I'll be that it's as reliable as could be. > > It's the nature of electric motors to be very reliable anyway - the > > extreme. > > > > > > I wouldn't say a vanagon is that good an electric car project. > > I researched doing an EV for a while. > > The lower end of the scale of parts and the stuff you need is 7 grand. > > It's typical to spend 10 to 12 grand even. > > There are 3 main types of batteries that are commonly used. > > Lead-acid ones are the cheaper way to go. > > > > It should be noted, that for 'most people' a typical car use is a drive > of > > somewhere under 10 miles, part it, let it sit for a while, or all day, > > then > > drive it 10 miles back, and let it sit again. > > For that kind of use...........a short drive, then a park while charging > > time, followed by a short drive again, an EV is perfect. > > > > Obviously batteries are the limiting factor. Jillioins have been spent > > trying to get the perfect battery and no one has come up with one. > > In fairness though...........i believe the battery pack in the Pirus > > Hybrid, > > while not comparable to a pure electric car...........i think those are > > lasting as well as anyone could have ever dreamed. > > Like they last really well, like 100K miles. I haven't heard of any > being > > replaced yet even. > > The Age Of Oil............. > > Let's just say the 'glory days' are probably going to be winding down in > > the > > coming few decades. > > It'll still be used, we'll still get enough to get around, and we'll > have > > other means of getting arund...........but more or less, the > > burn-10-million > > gallons of gas a day in the US ( yes, that's what the figure is ! > > .......and I blame commuting to work as huge factor and just terrible > > waste > > ...... > > You talk about waste. Commuting to work all at the same time, in some > > cases > > for hours - now there is a stupid waste for you. I knew when I was 6 > years > > old commuting to work at the same time as everyone else was super dumb. > > > > And Toll Bridges and Roads.........just stopping for tolls alone wastes > > billions of gallons of fuel. > > > > Scott > > www.turbovans.com > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf > Of > > Kenneth Wilford > > Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 1:54 PM > > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > > Subject: Re: Electric Vanagon? > > > > I agree. I think it is ironic that this lady complains about the big > > "conspiracy" to kill the electric car only to show us the real reason > why > > the electric car doesn't work (high cost, super heavy, no range and lead > > acid batteries stink!). If you read the whole thing carefully you will > > find > > that with a ton of donated parts and help they still spent over $10,000 > to > > get a Vanagon that will drive maybe 25 miles each way (if it doesn't > break > > down). They added over 1500 lbs of weight to the unladen van in > > batteries! > > Of course before that they had an "expensive" and "unreliable" water > boxer > > powerplant in there:-) Just to compare they could have had a rebuilt > > water > > boxer with all new exhaust system, coolant system, rebuilt transmission, > > and > > more for less than $10k including the labor! > > > > I give them credit for trying to live their dream. It is just a shame > > that > > reality hasn't caught up to the dream of the electric car. Again I find > > it > > ironic that almost exactly 100 years after the origins of the car all of > > the > > different ideas that were originally tried are being tried again. > > Electric > > cars were some of the first ever made. Diesel, hybrids, etc were all > > rolled > > out as production cars in those early years. The only newer idea I can > > see > > would be the hydrogen powered cars. > > > > Please, > > I beg someone, make a super high capacity battery/capacitor that is > light > > weight. Yes that would kill the ICE engine. We've only been waiting > for > > it > > for the past hundred years though. > > > > Ken Wilford > > John 3:16 > > www.vanagain.com > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: Ken Lewis <kdlewis@NORTHSTATE.NET> > > > > > What a ridiculous waste of time, money and resources. What is the > point? > > > Ken Lewis > > > http://neksiwel.20m.com/ > > > > > > -- > roger w > There are two kinds of jobs in the world: > Picking up garbage and telling people things. > Successful people do both, with the same good attitude. (riw) > ----------------------------------------------------------- > View the growing list of video work at: > http://revver.com/find/video/?query=LastonLastof&search_on=owners > and ... older work at > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7135104650374818257 > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3259745150182742364 > >

-- roger w There are two kinds of jobs in the world: Picking up garbage and telling people things. Successful people do both, with the same good attitude. (riw) ----------------------------------------------------------- View the growing list of video work at: http://revver.com/find/video/?query=LastonLastof&search_on=owners and ... older work at http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7135104650374818257 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3259745150182742364


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