Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:40:44 -0800
Reply-To: Scott Daniel - Shazam <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
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From: Scott Daniel - Shazam <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject: Re: Is this coolant pipe position correct? (Pic included)
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I run them all the time without a stock gas tank in place. Super easy.
I know that bushing you're talking about. I've never bothered to replace
one. I haven't seen one just ruined either..........just a little loose as
you describe. I would try my vw dealer first for one of those, but I
wouldn't even expect them to sell it anymore.
The way the pipes lay in the van...............there's nothing very obvious
or logical about it.
So it's hard for anyone to say 'yes that's right, or not.'
The main thing is, in the end........get the coolant going thru the rad in
the right direction and not have the pipes interfere with anything.
I would *leave the gas tank out* until after the engine is mounted and the
shifting is working fine, 'just in case.'
I don't think you'll have any kind of clearance problem with the shift
linage and pipes as you have a whole other kind of shift linkage from the
guy posting below.
And.....that pic you posted of the front end of the pipes.........that looks
right.
( I just had to deal with that. I bought an 82 diesel westy with 98 Subaru
Impreza engine in it, and they removed the stock DV metal pipes, and ran a
copper pipe down one side of the van, and another copper pipe going back on
the other.............and ran them right through where the spare tire would
fit ! lol . There was no way to put a spare down there, and the van
didn't even have a spare tire when I bought it........
see what I mean about 'hack conversions' ? ........... )
all that's important is coolant flow direction and the pipes don't interfere
anywhere.
Get the whole engine mounted, and shift linkage working ............THEN put
the gas tank in,
As a last step almost.
It's so easy to run off a can of gas under the back seat - just feed and
return, nothing mysterious about that.
Try to not get stuck in a corner on anything.
It takes a lot longer to do things 'prototyed' as you go
along............but that also keeps you from getting jammed in a corner -
like having to take the gas tank back out to adjust the pipe
fitting...........it takes way longer to do it this way, but the result in
the end is SO much better I just can't say it enough.
Yeah, avoid locking yourself into any permenant fitment because inevitably
there will be things that in retrospect you'll see could have been done
differently.
Btw...........the correct order to do something like this...........
Get the 'power unit' ..........engine and transaxle mounted in the van
first.
Then do things like shift linkage, clutch control, axles..........cooling
system is a 'add on after the engine is mounted' kind of thing. Gas tank
would be the very last thing even to put in.
That's how you build up a race car.
You mount the bigger things first and add on the smaller systems after that.
Scott
www.turbovans.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
neil N
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 9:25 AM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: Is this coolant pipe position correct? (Pic included)
Thanks for the heads up.
This an air cooled '81 being changed to a Jetta 2.0 ABA. The tranny is
a stock air cooled. And I'm using the stock steel lines ( the ones
from my WBX donor were in good shape and I "saved" them)
Speaking of tranny's, it was interesting to note that with the gas
tank out, I noticed a bushing for the shift linkage. I can only
imagine it's hard to get at with the tank in. It appears to be ok with
little play (I'll lube it good while I'm in there) but I'm sorely
tempted to replace it. I bet it's not a common item. And with all due
respect to vendors, --- :^) --- I really don't want to wait on the
part to be shipped as it could hold up this project. (no tank in, van
won't move. gotta turn it around to work on engine!) It just bugs me
that I"m not replacing it. Maybe in a few years when I do the tank
seals etc. .... again! --- ;^)
I am still curious to know if I have the coolant lines in the right
position.
Anyone?
A small detail I know, but having it confirmed yah or nay, would help
ease my mind. No big whoop I guess......
Cheers,
Neil.
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 9:00 AM, azsun99 <azsun99@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Neil,
> I haven't been following your project/progress too closely, so I don't
know what
> tranny you are installing, but here is my 2 cents. On my '90 Westy with
MT, when I was
> changing the coolant two years ago, I also installed the GoWesty pipe
insert kit.
> Everything seemed to line up and lay correctly, but when I was done and
drove it,
> there was some resistance to the transmission going into 4th gear. I
discovered that
> the linkage at the rear was coming over and hitting the side of the hose
on the
> inboard pipe. I smeared some silicone grease on the hose as a temp fix,
but finally
> got under again and loosened all the clamps and hangers and twisted the
pipe so the
> slight bend in the rear was away from the center line. Took all of the
strength I
> could muster (not much :)) to twist it with the hoses still attached, but
it worked.
> Now shifts smoothly into 4th. Just something to be aware of.
> Good luck,
> Jerry
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "neil N" <musomuso@GMAIL.COM>
> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>
> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 11:50 PM
> Subject: Re: Is this coolant pipe position correct? (Pic included)
>
>
> > Jetta 2.0
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 10:39 PM, Scott Daniel - Shazam
> > <scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
> > > The only really important thing about the pipes is that you have the
coolant
> > > going through the radiator the correct direction.
> > > What engine are you putting in again ? I forgot.
> > > Scott
> >
> > > Neil.
>
>
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