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Date:         Sat, 23 Feb 2008 14:09:07 -0800
Reply-To:     neil N <musomuso@GMAIL.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         neil N <musomuso@GMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Is this coolant pipe position correct? (Pic included)
Comments: To: Scott Daniel - Shazam <scottdaniel@turbovans.com>
In-Reply-To:  <000501c8765f$cfacacf0$6501a8c0@TOSHIBALAP>
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Thanks for warning about the "t" connection. I'll look into it.

Right now I'm "thinking forward" trying to get my head wrapped around the Vanagon and Jetta electrical (relays fuel pump connections). Interesting.

Yah end of March would be nice. We'll see.

Neil

On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 1:05 PM, Scott Daniel - Shazam <scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote: > Running by march ! > All right, an ambitious goal- but right on ! > > On the cooling layout - on your engine, that 'bypass hose ' ( that's what > it is, it's where coolant circulates from the w. pump through the engine > before the t-stat opens ) ......if your system is like other 'car' ones, > that hose, from water pump outlet to side of the cylinder head , has a T > right in the middle of it going to the oil cooler. > A diesel vanagon layout does not have that T in it. > If you can make the jetta oil cooler circuit work with the vanagon fine, I > just do know that they differ at this one spot - oil cooler coolant circuit, > and to be careful there. > > Scott > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: neil N [mailto:musomuso@gmail.com] > > > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 3:31 PM > To: Scott Daniel - Shazam > Cc: vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com > Subject: Re: Is this coolant pipe position correct? (Pic included) > > Thanks again Scott. > > I saw your earlier post and replied to it. :) > > I get what you're saying regarding the gas tank as an example of not > 'putting myself in a corner'. It's a good point. I get it. Just > apprehensive about the gas can thing. Albeit it would only be used to > drive it down the driveway, turn around, then back it into the carport > so I can work on the arse end of it. > > Yup this Jetta ABA has the oil cooler. I have stripped some stuff off > the Jetta engine coolant pump, seals, belts, as I'll be replacing > them. I saw the small hose to the oil cooler. It will stay as will the > other will too. It appears I have all the needed Jetta coolant hoses. > For sure I won't alter what has been established through $$$ spent by > VW. It should all work out fine. > > My plan all along was to adapt the Vanagon rad, heater core, to the > Jetta cooling system. I see this hybrid cooling system (not including > electricals)basically as a Jetta engine with a bigger rad and heater > core. > > Thanks again. I really appreciate the help/insight. It is proving to > be a great project in many ways. It is stretching my mind to "see" how > the parts "go together", and is refuelling other parts of my mind that > have been a little dormant. All good. > > I would be happy to show this conversion to any and all when she's > done. Hopefully that will be before the end of March. I wanna actually > use this Westy to go camping! --- :^) > > > Neil. > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 1:33 PM, Scott Daniel - Shazam > <scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote: > > Hi neil, > > Nice to see your comments and any response in general. > > You'll see my comments in another post how it's hard to even tell which > pipe > > goes where 'sort of' ........the very best way is to have another van to > > look at. > > But it doesn't' really matter as you have a hybrid here anyway made up of > > three different things coming together.......your 81 air cooled van , the > 85 > > donor van's parts, and a jetta engine. > > You'll also see my strong recommendation to not put the tank it yet . > > I can't emphasize that enough. > > I also cautioned about not locking yourself in anywhere, which you could > by > > installing the tank prematurely, just in case you do need to adjust pipes > or > > whatever. > > Resist the temptation to accomplish short term goals............. > > It's just a complete waste to have to take something back apart that was > put > > in before it was really needed. > > Get the major components mounted first. The gas tank is the very last > part > > I'd put in almost .........maybe air filter is , or the tach wiring > > .............but do the big components first. > > > > Since you have a 15 degree installation you could try to plumb the engine > > the same way it is in the jetta, as opposed to doing it diesel vanagon > > style. > > There's some difference at the oil cooler, which I believe you have. You > > 'should' be able to keep the jetta oil cooler hoses layout just like it > is > > now on your ABA engine........but that is different than diesel vanagon, > so > > be careful. > > I only mention diesel vanagon a lot because that is the only stock > inline 4 > > vanagon engine layout...........and they figured out how to make the > cooling > > system work right. > > (not to get all crazy about cooling system details yet, but on one AAZ > into > > a Doka I did, I varied slightly from DV layout, and it didn't cool > properly. > > I had to really get into the oil cooler hoses and heater return to figure > > out that it must be DV style, conceptually anyway. And one hose on a DV > > that looks like a full size hose .........part of the 'octopus hose' on > top > > of a DV engine layout ............it's not a full size hose 'really' > > .........it just looks like it on the outside. On the inside it's got > just a > > small air bleed hole back to the expansion bottle - point is, need to be > > careful on engine plumbing........the DV layout does work just super > fine. > > > > And always try to do what the factory did, unless you *really* know what > you > > are doing and have a good reason to depart from what they did. Seems > that > > this is not very obvious to so many converters..........but it's sure > > obvious as hell to me. They already did all the development and testing, > an > > spent millions maybe doing that .............we should take advantage of > all > > that work they did, and stick with what they came up with unless we have > an > > extremely good reason to change something. > > I've never actually done a 15 degree inline 4 install. > > I'd like to sometime. So nice to just leave the oil pan and oil pick up > > alone , etc. > > > > Scott > > www.turbovans.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: neil N [mailto:musomuso@gmail.com] > > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 12:26 PM > > To: Scott Daniel - Shazam > > Cc: vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com > > Subject: Re: Is this coolant pipe position correct? (Pic included) > > > > Thanks Scott > > > > Doing a 15 degree mount with a KEP kit. > > > > I've got the Jetta/Golf and Vanagon Bentley's, so I'm sure I can > > figure out the coolant plumbing path etc. > > > > I just wanted to confirm stock position of the stock pipes (which goes > > on the left and which one on the right). I don't want to have to > > switch them back...... after installing my brand new gas tank! --- ;^) > > > > Having said as much, I guess it likely doesn't matter, in my case, if > > the LH pipe was in the RH side position and vice versa, as I'll be > > making the engine bay plumbing fit the engine position. And I can't > > imagine the next owner (if there ever is one) wanting to put back a > > stock WBX! --- ;^) > > > > Neil. > > > > On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Scott Daniel - Shazam > > <scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote: > > > The hoses are real easy at the front of the van. Seems like 'most' 83 > > and > > > later hoses fit just fine. The 'oddball' is the 82 diesel and even > those > > > hoses are close to what you need. > > > Are you doing a 50 degree install, like a diesel vanagon ? > ........or > > > more upright ? > > > With the right DV stuff you have a bolt-in. > > > Be careful with coolant routing on the engine...........there's a > little > > > difference between connections between a inline 4 in a jetta and how > > it's > > > done diesel vanagon style. > > > I just copy the diesel vanagon layout for hoses and connections on > the > > > engine and it works perfectly. > > > One time I tried making the heater return go to a main coolant return > > > .........did not work. Due to how the oil cooler connections and flow > > work, > > > it has to be exactly as shown for diesel vanagon- that does work. > > > Scott > > > www.turbovans.com > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On > Behalf > > Of > > > neil N > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 11:10 PM > > > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Is this coolant pipe position correct? (Pic included) > > > > > > I'll make sure I have the coolant flow correct. Especially since I'm > > > pretty sure I'll be custom fitting hoses to connect with the long > > > pipes. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Neil. > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 10:39 PM, Scott Daniel - Shazam > > > <scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote: > > > > The only really important thing about the pipes is that you have the > > > coolant > > > > going through the radiator the correct direction. > > > > What engine are you putting in again ? I forgot. > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On > > Behalf > > > Of > > > > neil N > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 6:07 PM > > > > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > > > > Subject: Is this coolant pipe position correct? (Pic included) > > > > > > > > Hey guys. > > > > > > > > Pic looking at front end of coolant pipes roughed in for my engine > > > > conversion: > > > > > > > > http://tubaneil.googlepages.com/coolantpipeorientation > > > > > > > > Are they in the correct position? > > > > > > > > Pretty sure they are. Searched but did not find pics. Bentley shows > > > > the position to some degree. (ends shown at rad) Just making sure > > > > before I put in the new gas tank. > > > > > > > > Next time I'll take more pics of donor parts *before* removing > them! > > --- > > > > ;^) > > > > > > > > Muchos thankos, > > > > > > > > Neil. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Neil Nicholson. 1981 Air Cooled Westfalia - "Jaco" > > > > > > > > http://web.mac.com/tubaneil > > > > http://tubaneil.googlepages.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Neil Nicholson. 1981 Air Cooled Westfalia - "Jaco" > > > > > > http://web.mac.com/tubaneil > > > http://tubaneil.googlepages.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Neil Nicholson. 1981 Air Cooled Westfalia - "Jaco" > > > > http://web.mac.com/tubaneil > > http://tubaneil.googlepages.com/ > > > > > > > > -- > Neil Nicholson. 1981 Air Cooled Westfalia - "Jaco" > > http://web.mac.com/tubaneil > http://tubaneil.googlepages.com/ > >

-- Neil Nicholson. 1981 Air Cooled Westfalia - "Jaco"

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