Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:14:26 -0800
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From: neil N <musomuso@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Is this coolant pipe position correct? (Pic included)
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Thanks Scott. All good info, but form my comfort level, I hesitate to
run a gas can from inside the van, but then I worry too much!
:^)
Thanks for confirming the pipe position. That really helps.
On P. 19.12 in Bentley, it shows the curved end of one pipe so I can
see which flexible hose goes where. For me though, it doesn't clearly
show the L/R (DS/PS) aspect of the pipes.
For sure the order you specify makes sense. I may put the tank in
before the engine, but we'll see.
Thanks,
Neil.
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Scott Daniel - Shazam
<scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
> I run them all the time without a stock gas tank in place. Super easy.
>
> I know that bushing you're talking about. I've never bothered to replace
> one. I haven't seen one just ruined either..........just a little loose as
> you describe. I would try my vw dealer first for one of those, but I
> wouldn't even expect them to sell it anymore.
>
> The way the pipes lay in the van...............there's nothing very obvious
> or logical about it.
> So it's hard for anyone to say 'yes that's right, or not.'
> The main thing is, in the end........get the coolant going thru the rad in
> the right direction and not have the pipes interfere with anything.
> I would *leave the gas tank out* until after the engine is mounted and the
> shifting is working fine, 'just in case.'
> I don't think you'll have any kind of clearance problem with the shift
> linage and pipes as you have a whole other kind of shift linkage from the
> guy posting below.
>
> And.....that pic you posted of the front end of the pipes.........that looks
> right.
>
> ( I just had to deal with that. I bought an 82 diesel westy with 98 Subaru
> Impreza engine in it, and they removed the stock DV metal pipes, and ran a
> copper pipe down one side of the van, and another copper pipe going back on
> the other.............and ran them right through where the spare tire would
> fit ! lol . There was no way to put a spare down there, and the van
> didn't even have a spare tire when I bought it........
> see what I mean about 'hack conversions' ? ........... )
>
> all that's important is coolant flow direction and the pipes don't interfere
> anywhere.
> Get the whole engine mounted, and shift linkage working ............THEN put
> the gas tank in,
> As a last step almost.
> It's so easy to run off a can of gas under the back seat - just feed and
> return, nothing mysterious about that.
> Try to not get stuck in a corner on anything.
> It takes a lot longer to do things 'prototyed' as you go
> along............but that also keeps you from getting jammed in a corner -
> like having to take the gas tank back out to adjust the pipe
> fitting...........it takes way longer to do it this way, but the result in
> the end is SO much better I just can't say it enough.
> Yeah, avoid locking yourself into any permenant fitment because inevitably
> there will be things that in retrospect you'll see could have been done
> differently.
> Btw...........the correct order to do something like this...........
> Get the 'power unit' ..........engine and transaxle mounted in the van
> first.
> Then do things like shift linkage, clutch control, axles..........cooling
> system is a 'add on after the engine is mounted' kind of thing. Gas tank
> would be the very last thing even to put in.
> That's how you build up a race car.
> You mount the bigger things first and add on the smaller systems after that.
>
>
> Scott
> www.turbovans.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
> neil N
>
> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 9:25 AM
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>
>
> Subject: Re: Is this coolant pipe position correct? (Pic included)
>
> Thanks for the heads up.
>
> This an air cooled '81 being changed to a Jetta 2.0 ABA. The tranny is
> a stock air cooled. And I'm using the stock steel lines ( the ones
> from my WBX donor were in good shape and I "saved" them)
>
> Speaking of tranny's, it was interesting to note that with the gas
> tank out, I noticed a bushing for the shift linkage. I can only
> imagine it's hard to get at with the tank in. It appears to be ok with
> little play (I'll lube it good while I'm in there) but I'm sorely
> tempted to replace it. I bet it's not a common item. And with all due
> respect to vendors, --- :^) --- I really don't want to wait on the
> part to be shipped as it could hold up this project. (no tank in, van
> won't move. gotta turn it around to work on engine!) It just bugs me
> that I"m not replacing it. Maybe in a few years when I do the tank
> seals etc. .... again! --- ;^)
>
> I am still curious to know if I have the coolant lines in the right
> position.
>
> Anyone?
>
> A small detail I know, but having it confirmed yah or nay, would help
> ease my mind. No big whoop I guess......
>
> Cheers,
>
> Neil.
> On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 9:00 AM, azsun99 <azsun99@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Neil,
> > I haven't been following your project/progress too closely, so I don't
> know what
> > tranny you are installing, but here is my 2 cents. On my '90 Westy with
> MT, when I was
> > changing the coolant two years ago, I also installed the GoWesty pipe
> insert kit.
> > Everything seemed to line up and lay correctly, but when I was done and
> drove it,
> > there was some resistance to the transmission going into 4th gear. I
> discovered that
> > the linkage at the rear was coming over and hitting the side of the hose
> on the
> > inboard pipe. I smeared some silicone grease on the hose as a temp fix,
> but finally
> > got under again and loosened all the clamps and hangers and twisted the
> pipe so the
> > slight bend in the rear was away from the center line. Took all of the
> strength I
> > could muster (not much :)) to twist it with the hoses still attached, but
> it worked.
> > Now shifts smoothly into 4th. Just something to be aware of.
> > Good luck,
> > Jerry
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "neil N" <musomuso@GMAIL.COM>
> > To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> >
> > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 11:50 PM
> > Subject: Re: Is this coolant pipe position correct? (Pic included)
> >
> >
> > > Jetta 2.0
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 10:39 PM, Scott Daniel - Shazam
> > > <scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
> > > > The only really important thing about the pipes is that you have the
> coolant
> > > > going through the radiator the correct direction.
> > > > What engine are you putting in again ? I forgot.
> > > > Scott
> > >
> > > > Neil.
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Neil Nicholson. 1981 Air Cooled Westfalia - "Jaco"
>
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>
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