Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:30:46 -0800
Reply-To: neil N <musomuso@GMAIL.COM>
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From: neil N <musomuso@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Is this coolant pipe position correct? (Pic included)
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Thanks again Scott.
I saw your earlier post and replied to it. :)
I get what you're saying regarding the gas tank as an example of not
'putting myself in a corner'. It's a good point. I get it. Just
apprehensive about the gas can thing. Albeit it would only be used to
drive it down the driveway, turn around, then back it into the carport
so I can work on the arse end of it.
Yup this Jetta ABA has the oil cooler. I have stripped some stuff off
the Jetta engine coolant pump, seals, belts, as I'll be replacing
them. I saw the small hose to the oil cooler. It will stay as will the
other will too. It appears I have all the needed Jetta coolant hoses.
For sure I won't alter what has been established through $$$ spent by
VW. It should all work out fine.
My plan all along was to adapt the Vanagon rad, heater core, to the
Jetta cooling system. I see this hybrid cooling system (not including
electricals)basically as a Jetta engine with a bigger rad and heater
core.
Thanks again. I really appreciate the help/insight. It is proving to
be a great project in many ways. It is stretching my mind to "see" how
the parts "go together", and is refuelling other parts of my mind that
have been a little dormant. All good.
I would be happy to show this conversion to any and all when she's
done. Hopefully that will be before the end of March. I wanna actually
use this Westy to go camping! --- :^)
Neil.
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 1:33 PM, Scott Daniel - Shazam
<scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
> Hi neil,
> Nice to see your comments and any response in general.
> You'll see my comments in another post how it's hard to even tell which pipe
> goes where 'sort of' ........the very best way is to have another van to
> look at.
> But it doesn't' really matter as you have a hybrid here anyway made up of
> three different things coming together.......your 81 air cooled van , the 85
> donor van's parts, and a jetta engine.
> You'll also see my strong recommendation to not put the tank it yet .
> I can't emphasize that enough.
> I also cautioned about not locking yourself in anywhere, which you could by
> installing the tank prematurely, just in case you do need to adjust pipes or
> whatever.
> Resist the temptation to accomplish short term goals.............
> It's just a complete waste to have to take something back apart that was put
> in before it was really needed.
> Get the major components mounted first. The gas tank is the very last part
> I'd put in almost .........maybe air filter is , or the tach wiring
> .............but do the big components first.
>
> Since you have a 15 degree installation you could try to plumb the engine
> the same way it is in the jetta, as opposed to doing it diesel vanagon
> style.
> There's some difference at the oil cooler, which I believe you have. You
> 'should' be able to keep the jetta oil cooler hoses layout just like it is
> now on your ABA engine........but that is different than diesel vanagon, so
> be careful.
> I only mention diesel vanagon a lot because that is the only stock inline 4
> vanagon engine layout...........and they figured out how to make the cooling
> system work right.
> (not to get all crazy about cooling system details yet, but on one AAZ into
> a Doka I did, I varied slightly from DV layout, and it didn't cool properly.
> I had to really get into the oil cooler hoses and heater return to figure
> out that it must be DV style, conceptually anyway. And one hose on a DV
> that looks like a full size hose .........part of the 'octopus hose' on top
> of a DV engine layout ............it's not a full size hose 'really'
> .........it just looks like it on the outside. On the inside it's got just a
> small air bleed hole back to the expansion bottle - point is, need to be
> careful on engine plumbing........the DV layout does work just super fine.
>
> And always try to do what the factory did, unless you *really* know what you
> are doing and have a good reason to depart from what they did. Seems that
> this is not very obvious to so many converters..........but it's sure
> obvious as hell to me. They already did all the development and testing, an
> spent millions maybe doing that .............we should take advantage of all
> that work they did, and stick with what they came up with unless we have an
> extremely good reason to change something.
> I've never actually done a 15 degree inline 4 install.
> I'd like to sometime. So nice to just leave the oil pan and oil pick up
> alone , etc.
>
> Scott
> www.turbovans.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>
> From: neil N [mailto:musomuso@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 12:26 PM
> To: Scott Daniel - Shazam
> Cc: vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com
> Subject: Re: Is this coolant pipe position correct? (Pic included)
>
> Thanks Scott
>
> Doing a 15 degree mount with a KEP kit.
>
> I've got the Jetta/Golf and Vanagon Bentley's, so I'm sure I can
> figure out the coolant plumbing path etc.
>
> I just wanted to confirm stock position of the stock pipes (which goes
> on the left and which one on the right). I don't want to have to
> switch them back...... after installing my brand new gas tank! --- ;^)
>
> Having said as much, I guess it likely doesn't matter, in my case, if
> the LH pipe was in the RH side position and vice versa, as I'll be
> making the engine bay plumbing fit the engine position. And I can't
> imagine the next owner (if there ever is one) wanting to put back a
> stock WBX! --- ;^)
>
> Neil.
>
> On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Scott Daniel - Shazam
> <scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
> > The hoses are real easy at the front of the van. Seems like 'most' 83
> and
> > later hoses fit just fine. The 'oddball' is the 82 diesel and even those
> > hoses are close to what you need.
> > Are you doing a 50 degree install, like a diesel vanagon ? ........or
> > more upright ?
> > With the right DV stuff you have a bolt-in.
> > Be careful with coolant routing on the engine...........there's a little
> > difference between connections between a inline 4 in a jetta and how
> it's
> > done diesel vanagon style.
> > I just copy the diesel vanagon layout for hoses and connections on the
> > engine and it works perfectly.
> > One time I tried making the heater return go to a main coolant return
> > .........did not work. Due to how the oil cooler connections and flow
> work,
> > it has to be exactly as shown for diesel vanagon- that does work.
> > Scott
> > www.turbovans.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > neil N
> >
> > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 11:10 PM
> > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> >
> >
> > Subject: Re: Is this coolant pipe position correct? (Pic included)
> >
> > I'll make sure I have the coolant flow correct. Especially since I'm
> > pretty sure I'll be custom fitting hoses to connect with the long
> > pipes.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Neil.
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 10:39 PM, Scott Daniel - Shazam
> > <scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
> > > The only really important thing about the pipes is that you have the
> > coolant
> > > going through the radiator the correct direction.
> > > What engine are you putting in again ? I forgot.
> > > Scott
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
> Behalf
> > Of
> > > neil N
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 6:07 PM
> > > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > > Subject: Is this coolant pipe position correct? (Pic included)
> > >
> > > Hey guys.
> > >
> > > Pic looking at front end of coolant pipes roughed in for my engine
> > > conversion:
> > >
> > > http://tubaneil.googlepages.com/coolantpipeorientation
> > >
> > > Are they in the correct position?
> > >
> > > Pretty sure they are. Searched but did not find pics. Bentley shows
> > > the position to some degree. (ends shown at rad) Just making sure
> > > before I put in the new gas tank.
> > >
> > > Next time I'll take more pics of donor parts *before* removing them!
> ---
> > > ;^)
> > >
> > > Muchos thankos,
> > >
> > > Neil.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Neil Nicholson. 1981 Air Cooled Westfalia - "Jaco"
> > >
> > > http://web.mac.com/tubaneil
> > > http://tubaneil.googlepages.com/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Neil Nicholson. 1981 Air Cooled Westfalia - "Jaco"
> >
> > http://web.mac.com/tubaneil
> > http://tubaneil.googlepages.com/
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Neil Nicholson. 1981 Air Cooled Westfalia - "Jaco"
>
> http://web.mac.com/tubaneil
> http://tubaneil.googlepages.com/
>
>
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Neil Nicholson. 1981 Air Cooled Westfalia - "Jaco"
http://web.mac.com/tubaneil
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