Date:         Fri, 7 Mar 2008 19:37:58 -0800
Reply-To:     neil N <musomuso@GMAIL.COM>
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From:         neil N <musomuso@GMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Cut tranny input shaft while still in tranny? (for engine
              conversion)
Comments: To: Mark Drillock <mdrillock@cox.net>
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Ok.

I had a quick look at my Air cooled and WBX trannys in basement. (yes
lucky me. Got two unknown spares.... ;)

On the '80 AC I get 26.2 and the '85 WBX close to 27mm past face of
transaxle. I'm pretty sure they're the same length.

As for the KEP, I got 25.5 mm from face that meets Jetta block to face
that meets face of transaxle.



On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 7:11 PM, Mark Drillock <mdrillock@cox.net> wrote:
> That should depend on the thickness of the adapter plate. TIICO should
>  know how much their plate needs but I wonder how thick theirs is
>  compared to a KEP plate? I can't get to my spare KEP plate at the moment
>  but a knockoff version I have is 25mm thick where it counts. What is the
>  protrusion difference between a stock wbx bellhousing w/shaft and a
>  stock diesel bellhousing w/shaft? I measured that stuff some time ago
>  but can't find it now.
>
>
>  Mark
>
>
>
>
>  aatransaxle wrote:
>  > The Tiico conversions DO need 10 MM cut off the shaft, so I think the
>  > common
>  > jetta swap does as well.
>  > Daryl of AA Transaxle
>  > (425) 788-4070
>  > aatransaxle.com
>  > ----- Original Message -----
>  > From: "Mark Drillock" <drillock@EARTHLINK.NET>
>  > To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>  > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 4:55 PM
>  > Subject: Re: Cut tranny input shaft while still in tranny? (for engine
>  > conversion)
>  >
>  >
>  >> If you are not changing over to the diesel bell housing, WHY are you
>  >> shortening the shaft? AFAIK, the adapter plates for inline 4 cyls add
>  >> enough thickness to make up for the longer wbx shaft. Maybe I'm mistaken?
>  >>
>  >> I have shortened several and also swapped in many shorter shafts when
>  >> using a gasser tranny with a diesel bell housing since that needs to be
>  >> done in such a situation. Lately I just shorten the shafts since this
>  >> cuts off the part of the shaft that gets worn in the boxer setup.
>  >> Factory short shafts are often worn also so cutting a long one puts a
>  >> fresh surface where the pilot bearing rides.
>  >>
>  >> Mark
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> neil N wrote:
>  >>> Thanks Mark.
>  >>>
>  >>> Good tips. I was hoping I could cut in situ. It'll save a little money
>  >>> (gasket/seal) and save some work. I'd rather take that money saved
>  >>> from not buying the big gasket and seal and put it in a Dremel setup.
>  >>>
>  >>> I wondered if the shaft wasn't hard steel.
>  >>>
>  >>> Neil.
>  >>>
>  >>> On 3/7/08, Mark Drillock <drillock@earthlink.net> wrote:
>  >>>> I cut them in the tranny. I use a heavy duty cutting disc in a Dremel,
>  >>>> while someone else turns the shaft. I work a ring cut deeper and deeper
>  >>>> as they turn one CV flange and hold the other still with the tranny in
>  >>>> gear. The shaft is pretty hard and gets hot so I have a rag soaked with
>  >>>> water wrapped around the rest of the shaft and another that I use to
>  >>>> periodically cool the tip.
>  >>>>
>  >>>> After the cut I use an angle grinder to put a bevel on the edge of the
>  >>>> tip, again while the shaft is turned.
>  >>>>
>  >>>> The Dremel blade is an abrasive type with fiber reinforcing.
>  >>>>
>  >>>> Mark
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
>  >>>> neil N wrote:
>  >>>>> Hi all.
>  >>>>>
>  >>>>> Am getting closer to mounting the Jetta engine so am researching input
>  >>>>> shaft stuff.
>  >>>>>
>  >>>>> Can I cut the input shaft while it's still in the tranny?
>  >>>>>
>  >>>>> It looks possible, but I don't know if hacksawing away at it is be bad
>  >>>>> for parts attached to it. Plus angling (shaping) the end might present
>  >>>>> a challenge.
>  >>>>>
>  >>>>> Thanks!
>  >>>>>
>  >>>>> Neil.
>  >>>>>
>  >>>>>
>  >>>>> --
>  >>>>> Neil Nicholson. 1981 Air Cooled Westfalia - "Jaco"
>  >>>>>
>  >>>>> http://web.mac.com/tubaneil
>  >>>>> http://tubaneil.googlepages.com/
>  >>>>>
>  >>> --
>  >>> Neil Nicholson. 1981 Air Cooled Westfalia - "Jaco"
>  >>> http://web.mac.com/tubaneil
>  >>> http://tubaneil.googlepages.com/
>  >>>
>  >
>



--
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http://web.mac.com/tubaneil
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