Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 17:39:53 -0800
Reply-To: Scott Daniel - Shazam <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
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From: Scott Daniel - Shazam <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject: Re: Still running like crap, the saga continues
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Timing advance curve certainly jumps to mind as matching the symptoms.
However, on a 2.1 there is no mechanism of any kind in the distributor
affecting the timing curve.
It is purely electronic from the ECU,
And it’s very easy to see that the timing does indeed advance when you rev
it, with a timing light. And one would think if the ECU works, it would
work for timing curve function.
Not likely to be ‘it’ but so easy to check that it must be done.
For sure, fuel pressure needs to be considered.
And as I keep saying, the gasoline itself, not delivery, not pressure, the
fuel itself, like if it has water in it, or is gasohol with too much ‘hol’
in it or something goofy like that.
NOT saying ‘that’s it’ …….just saying that the fuel itself must be
considered, and no one ever does that I ever hear of.
I was working in a shop once, a month after a $ 10,000 rebuld on a 6
cylinder british sports car – and I said the same thing – check the fuel,
and the shop owner was resistant to that idea and pursued other routes
first.
It turned there was water in the fuel.
Again, not likely, but must be taken into consideration.
For every test you weigh likelihood of revealing something against effort it
takes to do that test. Supposing you don’t especially think it’s the ECU
temp sensor, but those are only 15 to 20 dollars, it’s not hard to try one,
and at the worst you end up with a spare good one.
It’s worth trying then.
On the other hand, you resist diagnosing something really expensive like an
ECU until you have FIVE good reasons to be convinced that’s it – at least
that’s how I am. I am trying to spend the people’s money the very, very best
way, and get ‘the result’ in the most direct and efficient manner.
It will be interesting to see in the end, if we do that is, what the problem
or problems are.
Scott
www.turbovans.com <http://www.turbovans.com/>
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From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
Benny boy
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 5:03 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: Still running like crap, the saga continues
Ok, what you have is a kind of a "Flooding" feelling at low rpm, no
acceleration, i'm i right?
You swap the AFM with still the same problem, ok, let's eliminate this one
(assuming that the connection to this one is good!!! yea, wiring harness
problem, very common!).
It's NOT the cat... you would NOT reach cruising speed!
CHECK THE FUEL PRESSURE!!! PLEASE!!!
If ok, you can remove a lot of parts from your problem list and it mean you
have a "firing" problem (it could)or an electronic/electric problem (i doubt
it).
Swap distributor, it feel like you may have an advance problem (yea, even if
it's electronic, all engine have some kind of advance control)
Exhaust leak will NEVER create that kind of problem, forget about this one
for now.
Forget compression test, it's NOT your problem. You would feel it at freeway
speed (you said everything was ok at that speed)
You ask about the temp2 sender:
http://www.benplace.com/engine/trouble_parts.jpg
The blue one.
It's located on the thermostat housing, 1.9 and 2.1. I don't remember your
engine. If 2.1L, it's on the far left/front (on the head - left side of the
TH), on 1.9L, it's on the left rear, near the engine temp sender. It's also
blue.
I still think you have a fuel pressure problem.
Any kind of smoke???
Engine: fire, fuel and air! One is wrong.
Sadly, i have seen a lot of electrical/FI problem creating a lot of strange
problem.
But i would do 2 last test before you go to a shop. Swap the distibutors and
check fuel pressure. After, if that doesn't work, go to a good Vanagon shop.
Cheers, Ben¸
http://www.benplace.com/vw2.htm
On Fri, 7 Mar 2008 22:28:42 -0500, BJ Feddish <bfeddish@NETREACH.NET> wrote:
> >> There you go, very simple... get a spare AFM and swap it! Like Scott
>said, it's nice to have spare parts to do some test. Find a shop who as
>vanagon in the yard / shop. <<
>
>I have a spare and I swapped it out. It still ran the same. It's not a 100%
>test though since the spare AFM may be bad too. If anybody has a spare AFM
>I can test out here in SE PA that would be great.
>
>>> -Blue temp sender (change it) <<
>
>Where is that located?
>
>Here's my thoughts so far after working on and driving this van for the
last
>few days. Basically low speed acceleration is non-existent. Pressing the
>gas pedal from 1/3 to full throttle makes no difference. What is different
>thought is regular cruising speed is great. I was going 50 in a 35 MPH zone
>without realizing it. Before it felt like the engine was straining (but I
>had low speed acceleration.) If this were my '65 Beetle I would say the
>timing was off or the distributer was not advancing. That's what it feels
>like. I called my mechanic to get an appt to put that crossover pipe on
>next week. I'll have him check the compression too.
>
>Please convince me not to order a carburetor kit....
>
>Thanks,
>Bryan
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