Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:23:54 -0700
Reply-To: neil N <musomuso@GMAIL.COM>
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From: neil N <musomuso@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Building carrier (load bar) Square or rectangular tube steel?
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I should have posted this from the "get go"
Apologies for not! --- :^)
This is how Pdooley did it.
http://s85.photobucket.com/albums/k60/pdooley/motor%20mounts/?start=20
Hope this explains what I'm trying to do.
On 3/15/08, Mike <mbucchino@charter.net> wrote:
> Can't the crossbar be mounted on the frame a little further forward or
> aft? You don't have to use the stock bolt holes, do you? Couldn't you just
> use a stock bar and fabricate 2 engine mounting plates to meet it?
> IMHO, it seems like making the entire crossbar from scratch is the harder
> way of doing things..........there's more than one way to skin a cat, right?
>
>
> Mike B.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "neil N" <musomuso@GMAIL.COM>
> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>
> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 8:41 PM
> Subject: Re: Building carrier (load bar) Square or rectangular tube steel?
>
>
> > For sure. Further back. The Fox mount brackets end up being more or
> > less in the middle of the block lengthwise.
> >
> > And for others who might use the Fox brackets in this application, I'm
> > pretty sure that getting them from an automatic tranny will save a
> > little work. The manual tranny has one bracket with provisions for
> > clutch cable. That extra metal needs to be removed. Plus some removed
> > near bottom LH side for plastic coolant elbow to clear (Jetta ABA
> > 2.0).
> >
> > Neil.
> >
> > On 3/15/08, pdooley <psdooley@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> I'm pretty sure the stock WBX bar is not adequate for an inline swap.
> >> The I4 motor and oil pan cut way too far down into the WBX load bar.
> >>
> >> I just fabbed a load bar from scratch for my I4 swap.
> >> I seem to remember needing to locate the bar further back to accommodate
> >> the
> >> Fox engine mounts; another reason to just start from scratch.
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
> >> Of
> >> Mike Riley
> >> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 8:00 PM
> >> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> >> Subject: Re: Building carrier (load bar) Square or rectangular tube
> >> steel?
> >>
> >> any pics of a I-4 type engine using the stock cross bar for mounts on the
> >> web somewhere?
> >> mike
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 13:33:38 -0700
> >> > From: Scott Daniel - Shazam <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
> >> > Subject: Re: Building carrier (load bar) Square or rectangular tube
> >> > steel?
> >> >
> >> > Just look at a waterboxer rear engine cross bar for inspiration.
> >> >
> >> > It's rectangular tubing.
> >> >
> >> > Also, of course, it's not loaded in the 'flat' plane, it' loaded in the
> >> > 'vertical' plan if you follow me, which is stronger.=20
> >> >
> >> > I even just USE waterboxer vanagon rear engine mounting cross bars for
> >> > =
> >> > other
> >> > engine installations - I put one under an SVX engine - worked tres =
> >> > perfecto.
> >> >
> >> > =20
> >> >
> >> > They're a bit heavy but super solid, and already the right length - =
> >> > ..one of
> >> > my fabrication rules .....( wood construction too ) ...when you find 'a
> >> > fitter' , you have to use it.=20
> >> >
> >> > =20
> >> >
> >> > Plus rectangular is so much easier to work with, having flat sides, for
> >> > drilling holes in, bolting or welding things too, etc.=20
> >> >
> >> > =20
> >> >
> >> > Another tip- build it 'in place' .
> >> >
> >> > Get the engine where you want it.
> >> >
> >> > Put the bar under it, make cardboard templates for the brackets you
> >> > need....cut those out on the work bench, set those in place on the
> >> > van/engine/bar , tack well them. Take the bar out, weld on it more, out
> >> > =
> >> > it
> >> > back in to check the fit, etc.
> >> >
> >> > Scott
> >> >
> >> > www.turbovans.com <http://www.turbovans.com/> =20
> >>
> > --
> > Neil Nicholson. 1981 Air Cooled Westfalia - "Jaco"
> > http://web.mac.com/tubaneil
> > http://tubaneil.googlepages.com/
> >
>
>
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