Date:         Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:41:26 -0800
Reply-To:     neil N <musomuso@GMAIL.COM>
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From:         neil N <musomuso@GMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Building carrier (load bar) Square or rectangular tube steel?
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For sure. Further back. The Fox mount brackets end up being more or
less in the middle of the block lengthwise.

And for others who might use the Fox brackets in this application, I'm
pretty sure that getting them from an automatic tranny will save a
little work. The manual tranny has one bracket with provisions for
clutch cable. That extra metal needs to be removed. Plus some removed
near bottom LH side for plastic coolant elbow to clear (Jetta ABA
2.0).

Neil.

On 3/15/08, pdooley <psdooley@verizon.net> wrote:
> I'm pretty sure the stock WBX bar is not adequate for an inline swap.
> The I4 motor and oil pan cut way too far down into the WBX load bar.
>
> I just fabbed a load bar from scratch for my I4 swap.
> I seem to remember needing to locate the bar further back to accommodate the
> Fox engine mounts; another reason to just start from scratch.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
> Mike Riley
> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 8:00 PM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: Building carrier (load bar) Square or rectangular tube steel?
>
> any pics of a I-4 type engine using the stock cross bar for mounts on the
> web somewhere?
> mike
>
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 13:33:38 -0700
> > From: Scott Daniel - Shazam <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
> > Subject: Re: Building carrier (load bar) Square or rectangular tube steel?
> >
> > Just look at a waterboxer rear engine cross bar for inspiration.
> >
> > It's rectangular tubing.
> >
> > Also, of course, it's not loaded in the 'flat' plane, it' loaded in the
> > 'vertical' plan if you follow me, which is stronger.=20
> >
> > I even just USE waterboxer vanagon rear engine mounting cross bars for =
> > other
> > engine installations - I put one under an SVX engine - worked tres =
> > perfecto.
> >
> > =20
> >
> > They're a bit heavy but super solid, and already the right length - =
> > ..one of
> > my fabrication rules .....( wood construction too ) ...when you find 'a
> > fitter' , you have to use it.=20
> >
> > =20
> >
> > Plus rectangular is so much easier to work with, having flat sides, for
> > drilling holes in, bolting or welding things too, etc.=20
> >
> > =20
> >
> > Another tip- build it 'in place' .
> >
> > Get the engine where you want it.
> >
> > Put the bar under it, make cardboard templates for the brackets you
> > need....cut those out on the work bench, set those in place on the
> > van/engine/bar , tack well them. Take the bar out, weld on it more, out =
> > it
> > back in to check the fit, etc.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > www.turbovans.com <http://www.turbovans.com/> =20
>
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