Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:24:11 -0700
Reply-To: neil N <musomuso@GMAIL.COM>
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From: neil N <musomuso@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Should engine mount move this much? (PIC)
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No need to go crazy --- :^)
Here's the pic oriented (rotated) properly:
http://tubaneil.googlepages.com/Onthelevel.jpg/Onthelevel-full;init:.jpg
the words "Level ground" give a reference point of the "horizon".
I took the picture on an angle.
The angles where the arms of carrier meet plates is ok.
I did almost exactly what you did.
I built my plates/angle iron, clamped them in place (should have
drilled and mounted with bolts) held up a piece of wood to mock up the
carrier arm, cut, held up, cut etc. and figured out the angle on each
side of vehicle where arm meets the plate/angle iron. Of course the
other end was held up to bottom of the mounts. After getting each
angle, tacked arms on plates, marked where the mount bolts go through,
drilled etc., then added bar at bottom
Here's what I think I did wrong.
I had the engine suspended, and when I held the arm/plate/angle iron
piece to the mount, I used the BOTTOM of the threads on mount as a
reference for the mount bolt hole. Of course when the engine actually
gets lowered, the bolt holes don't really line up. Hence the strain on
the mount.
The fact that when I checked the level of the engine, and found it to
be lower on the PS, was a clue, I just couldn't see where I went
wrong.
How I corrected it.
put carrier on with only DS mount installed, used a bottle jack to
bring PS of engine up to get things level, measured level at tranny,
(many, many times!) measured how large the gap was between PS bracket
and carrier arm, (too large by 5/8") made up a piece of wood to go in
place of PS mount, lowered the engine and checked level again. I added
a piece of 2" box that is 5/8" tall.
Or something like that --- :^)
I'm pretty sure it's right now.
I hope!
Neil.
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 6:44 PM, pdooley <psdooley@verizon.net> wrote:
> Neil, the cross bar is angled wrong.
> That's strange, because your mock-up pictures looked really good.
>
> What I did:
> Suspend the motor (attached to the transmission) in the proper position.
> Attach the Fox brackets and rubber mounts.
> With everything hanging in the air you can get a good feel on how to
> position the bars.
>
> I started at the Van body, fabbed the mounting plates, then estimated the
> angle to cut the cross bars.
> Made the cut, held the piece up against the hanging motor mount, made
> corrections, etc..
>
> What you have will probably work, but it would drive me crazy knowing it was
> that far off.
>
> I would re-do it.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> neil N
> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 7:04 PM
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>
> Subject: Should engine mount move this much? (PIC)
>
>
>
> Hi all.
>
> What would a day be like without me asking these "one of a kind"
> questions? --- ;^)
>
> Should the top half of this Fox engine mount shift this much under
> weight of engine?
>
> http://tubaneil.googlepages.com/tempfoxmountpics
>
> This is on my 15 degree Jetta engine install.
>
> I think I measured the position of the mounts incorrectly. I "leveled"
> the engine, then made marks for mount bolts onto carrier. When engine
> supported by carrier, the mount looks like it's shifting and engine is
> no longer "level".
>
> I'm mentally challenged right now so opinions regarding mount shift
> shown in the pics, would help right now.
>
> Seems to me that if positioned correctly on the carrier, then when
> weight of engine is on them, it should compress the mounts toward the
> carrier, but not shift like that.
>
> Loosing my mind.... ;^)
>
> Neil.
>
>
>
> --
> Neil Nicholson. 1981 Air Cooled Westfalia - "Jaco"
>
> http://web.mac.com/tubaneil
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>
>
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