Date:         Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:21:11 -0700
Reply-To:     John Bange <jbange@GMAIL.COM>
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From:         John Bange <jbange@GMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Using electricity to produce hydrogen gas to lower my gas
              cost - is this for real?>
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>
> I plan to try it in my Ranger. If it works as claimed ,we will be putting
> one in our vanagon.
>  Looks doable
>

Doable, but not useful. Every energy conversion step incurs losses. Running
an HHO generator off your alternator to feed HHO into your intake is
converting mechanical work from the engine at the alternator to electricity,
then electricity in the H20 -> 2 H2 + O2 process, then burning the HHO to
extract mechanical work.

You could improve that by just running an electric motor driving your crank
pulley off your alternator and cut out the losses inherent to the
electrolytic cracking of H2O and the heat losses converting the HHO to
mechanical work in the cylinders.

Better yet, skip the electric motor and just eliminate the extra load on the
alternator entirely, cutting out the losses converting mechanical energy to
electricity and back to mechanical energy. Best of all, if you just leave it
as is, you come out ahead in power output AND you don't pay the penalty of
carrying a heavy superfluous system plus a tank of water.

There's no free energy in water. Water is not a fuel. Water is inherently
very stable. The only energy you can get out of it is what you put into it,
minus a hefty "entropy tax" on the process.

--
John Bange
'90 Vanagon - "Geldsauger"