Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:55:20 -0700
Reply-To: neil N <musomuso@GMAIL.COM>
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From: neil N <musomuso@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Opinions needed. Exhaust pipes too close? PICS
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Thanks for confirming Mike.
Even though I'm "making it up" as I go along and have some wiggle room
on remaining parts of exhaust, I would like to get flange/primaries
lined up as accurately as I can. Good to know I can tack stuff in
place.
Neil.
On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 4:35 PM, Mike <mbucchino@charter.net> wrote:
> Yes to tacking before bringing to maintain positioning. You don't anything
> to shift at all.
>
> Yes to leaving room for welding inside flange. (so you don't to have to
> grind off any of the weld from the flange for a flat surface).
>
>
> Mike B.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "neil N" <musomuso@GMAIL.COM>
> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>
>
> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 5:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Opinions needed. Exhaust pipes too close? PICS
>
>
> > Yes that was my thought. To get position where I want it.
> >
> > One thing I didn't express here was that I'm just not certain if pipe
> > should be inserted in flange hole half way (to leave room to weld
> > inside hole) or if pipe end should be flush with top of flange.
> >
> > Neil.
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Mike Collum <collum@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> My thought is that by initially tacking them yourself, you are more apt
> >> to get them "Where" you want them. Of course, you could always discuss
> >> it with the person who will be doing the final welding beforehand.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> neil N wrote:
> >> > Interesting to note your success with pipes that did touch. I just did
> >> > a little more tweaking. I got them closer to level, and about a 1/4"
> >> > gap.
> >> >
> >> > The pipes in the images are short, but I will be welding on another 90
> >> > degree to each, then of course, the rest of the exhaust system. I
> >> > didn't make that clear in my first post.
> >> >
> >> > And speaking of "secure", I'll be incorporating a flex joint and will
> >> > brace the muffler to engine. Even so, I am glad I'll be getting a pro
> >> > to do the welds at flange. --- ;^)
> >> >
> >> > Anyone know if I can tack weld these in place before taking them to
> >> the welder?
> >> >
> >> > I imagine he would do his own tacks, grind off mine, then weld. But
> >> > I'm not sure of that.
> >> >
> >> > Neil.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Mike <mbucchino@charter.net> wrote:
> >> >> These pipes appear to be very short, will be held very securely and
> >> the
> >> >> material is pretty rigid. I doubt it will 'grind holes' where they
> >> touch,
> >> >> but a small clearance would prevent even that possibility.
> >> >> I have had exhaust systems that had similar pipes touching, and
> >> they
> >> >> never failed where they touched.
> >> >>
> >> >> Mike B.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "Jake de Villiers" <crescentbeachguitar@GMAIL.COM>
> >> >> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 3:29 PM
> >> >> Subject: Re: Opinions needed. Exhaust pipes too close? PICS
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > The vibrations will grind holes in the pipes where they're
> >> touching. I'd
> >> >> > move them, myself.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 11:24 AM, Mike <mbucchino@charter.net>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Touching should be fine. Many other vehicle exhaust systems hav
> >> pipes
> >> >> >> that
> >> >> >> touch. Only corrosion-resistance may be affected, if its
> >> horizontal and
> >> >> >> tends to trap mud and water. You vertical arrangement shouldn't
> >> have
> >> >> >> that
> >> >> >> issue.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Mike B.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> >> From: "neil N" <musomuso@GMAIL.COM>
> >> >> >> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> >> >> >> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 1:54 PM
> >> >> >> Subject: Opinions needed. Exhaust pipes too close? PICS
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > Hi all.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > http://tubaneil.googlepages.com/exhaust
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > In one image I could leave them touching, (contact area small)
> >> the
> >> >> >> > other I could fudge the angles but would prefer not to.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > In either case, I'd be cutting these pipes shorter and welding
> >> 90
> >> >> >> > degree elbows to them.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Is heat, where pipes touch, a problem? Should they have
> >> seperation?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Thanks!
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Neil.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > --
> >> >> >> > Neil Nicholson. 1981 Air Cooled Westfalia - "Jaco"
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > http://web.mac.com/tubaneil
> >> >> >> > http://tubaneil.googlepages.com/
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Jake
> >> >> > 1984 Vanagon GL
> >> >> > 1986 Westy Weekender "Dixie"
> >> >> > Crescent Beach, BC
> >> >> > www.crescentbeachguitar.com
> >> >> > http://subyjake.googlepages.com/mydixiedarlin%27
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Neil Nicholson. 1981 Air Cooled Westfalia - "Jaco"
> >> >
> >> > http://web.mac.com/tubaneil
> >> > http://tubaneil.googlepages.com/
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Neil Nicholson. 1981 Air Cooled Westfalia - "Jaco"
> >
> > http://web.mac.com/tubaneil
> > http://tubaneil.googlepages.com/
> >
>
>
--
Neil Nicholson. 1981 Air Cooled Westfalia - "Jaco"
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