Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:00:26 -0700
Reply-To: Scott Daniel - Shazam <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
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From: Scott Daniel - Shazam <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject: Re: AW in Vancouver Back on CL..... for more money!
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Well YEAH you figure in the labor.
I do the same thing - they want 6K for a non-runner, or say one that runs
that needs 15 things.
You just add up the rough cost of the repairs, say the 15 things would be $
2,500 to fix, counting parts and labor.
You jus say........well, you're asking 5K for a van that is 2,500 down from
being a 5 to 6K van really........doesn't' add up. The 'repairs needed' -
gotta figure that in.
Severe rust is pretty much a 'forget it thing' I think. 'maybe' if you just
want a low cost beater for yourself to not care about, but otherwise....just
barely worth it.
I looked at this westy once .......something like 4 to 5K asking price I
think, with a new rebuilt engine too, and running. It was the most glaring
example I ever saw of someone 'just running' a van and never doing ANY
maintenance, they just operated until a major system broke, then spent big
bucks on that one system. Meanwhile 7 other major systems like brakes or
transmission were just driven into the ground - so it needed a trans
rebuild, shocks, brake work, electrical repairs, and body work. No matter
which way I ran the numbers, that westy was $ 5,000 down from being a viable
working serviceable westy, worth perhaps $ 6K at the time. I didn't' even
offer a thousand for it. It's a shame what some people will do to a car or
van. But that one especially, zero maaintance ever, and only repair each
major system as it totally fails - not a van you want to own.
On the other hand, I have seen about TWO used cars ever, that belonged to
people that fixed every tiny little thing as soon as it broke. And the whole
used vehicle was in perfect fully serviced and roadworthy condition. Those
are rare. But great when you find them.
Oh..........when I hear 'that van is so great, I haven't had to do anything
but change the oil for the last 7 years' - I just cringe, cause that means
they 'just drove it' as long as something didn't outright fail. For some
people, if it starts up and gets across town reasonably well, why it must be
just fine, even if that goes on for years and years.
Poor cars and vans that don't get at least half-reasonable care.
-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
Mark Drillock
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 5:45 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: AW in Vancouver Back on CL..... for more money!
That approach has some measure of validity except that most people would
also subtract a bunch of $$ for the time and aggravation of fixing
everything wrong.
I have looked at several complete $300-500 Westys that I walked away
from. Some even could be driven and were in daily use. I simply won't
touch major rust buckets, even for almost free. Crazy Ben may enjoy
fixing up those Canadian sunken shipwrecks for big bucks but life is too
short, IMHO.
Mark
Greg Potts wrote:
> Hi Craig,
>
> ..........
> When I see a stuation like that I suggest the seller figure out what a
> comparable vehicle would cost in good running condition and then figure
> out what the cost would be to get the unit they are selling into that
> condition. Subtract the latter number from the former, and you have ta
> fair and reasonable price. If it turns out to be a negative number, then
> it's a parts car, and you price it out according to the value of the
> parts minus the value of the labour to harvest them.
>
> But some people will refuse to play ball. They are either unmotivated
> sellers or they have an unrealistic picture of the value of their
> product in the current marketplace.
>
> Or else they are sharks looking for dumber prey to come along and take
> the bait. It's a cheap way to pass the time, and every so often they get
> lucky.
>
>
> Happy Trails,
>
> Greg Potts
> 1973/74/79 Westfakia "Bob the Tomato"
> www.busesofthecorn.com
> www.pottsfamily.ca
>
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