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Date:         Thu, 3 Apr 2008 18:46:03 -0400
Reply-To:     Mike S <mikes@FLATSURFACE.COM>
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From:         Mike S <mikes@FLATSURFACE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Zincless Oil
Comments: To: Bob Stevens <mtbiker62@HOTMAIL.COM>
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At 04:18 PM 4/3/2008, Bob Stevens wrote... >If the container says SM on it, it's zincless; and must say SJ (?) to >be safe?

It is not that simple. There is no limit on zinc in any of the grades. There are limits on phosphorus, which limits the use of ZDDP (zinc dialkyl dithio phosphate), which is the antiwear additive that people are concerned about.

API SJ has a "non-critical" phosphorus limit of 1000 PPM (0.1%) for 0W-20, 5W-20, 0W-30, 5W-30, and 10W-30 weights. It must pass the wear test of ASTM D 4485 Test Method Sequence VE.

API SL rated engine oils required minimum 800 PPM phosphorus (as part of ZDDP), _or_ a pass on the wear test mentioned above. It has the same "non-critical" phosphorus limit as SJ.

The API SM spec has a phosphorus limit of 800 PPM, for the grades given above. Other weights have no limit on phosphorus (or zinc). All weights require a minimum of 600 PPM.

None of the weights with a phosphorus (and consequently a ZDDP) limit are suitable for a VW aircooled engine. For the weights which are suitable, there is therefore no way to tell from the API grade how much, or how little, ZDDP is present, except that SM requires a minimum of 600 PPM (which is about 1/2 of what was typically found in the old, "good," oils).

In short, without an oil analysis, you can't tell.


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