Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:59:27 -0700
Reply-To: neil N <musomuso@GMAIL.COM>
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From: neil N <musomuso@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Gas, milage, etc (was Air Engine)
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Good points.
And too true.
The speed at which the gutting happens is mind boggling.
Neil
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Jim Felder <jim.felder@gmail.com> wrote:
> I certainly don't think that investment in energy companies is
> unethical. It is not the individual investors who are driving the
> train. It is the financial houses with huge positions and the ability
> to move billions around the world in spit seconds who are creating the
> bubbles for their own benefit. People who buy the stocks through them
> are just being used by them. In the 1940s and even later, the
> inefficiencies of the market probably paralleled the inefficiences in
> communications and the transfer of money. Everything seemed OK. Today,
> the guys with the money and the communications have such an unfair
> advantage over the rest of us that they just clobber and gut any
> market they want.
>
> Think back over the last ten years at the targets they picked and
> attacked: internet, housing, oil and now food.
>
> I know all about the internet thing because I was in it, up there at
> Bear Stearns and Goldman Sachs involved in trying to take a company
> public back in the day. I know how it works because I saw a glimpse of
> it. It's no more complicated than a waterboxer engine. It's just that
> most people never get to see it on the inside.
>
> What's the next target? No one knows. What we do know is whose pocket
> it will come out of.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> On 4/24/08, neil N <musomuso@gmail.com> wrote:
> > "nice" quote
> >
> > Scary stuff.
> >
> > I always recall looking at, or rather staring at (to learn how to read
> > them) my parents investment statements while settling their estates.
> > Energy stocks were a part of that portfolio. That portion of the
> > investment always seemed to do well. That always stuck in my mind.
> >
> > The human condition eh? People just can't help themselves. It's a
> > really tempting thing to invest in oil, natural gas etc. I'm not
> > saying it's outright wrong to invest in oil, but I have to wonder how
> > ethical that will be in the coming years. MANY who have no idea what
> > their investment dollars are funding. Out of sight out of mind = a
> > clear conscience.
> >
> > Crazy thought, but can you imagine if energy stocks were considered
> > unethical investments? Maybe some firms already on that page. Ha!
> > Pretty harsh thinking on my part, but given the green movement, I'm
> > certain there are investors making money, or positioned to make money
> > from investment vehicles directly tied to green. When I saw hybrids
> > showing up locally, I knew the green movement would take off and make
> > someone some money.
> >
> > Sounds like a win win to me. Invest in (hopefully ethical) green
> > technologies.
> >
> > But then I'm fond of saying "I know enough to get in trouble"
> >
> > --- ;^)
> >
> > Neil.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Jim Felder <jim.felder@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > The way the movers and shakers, literally the 200 mavens of wall
> > > street, have had to look for somewhere to put their money to hedge
> > > against the exploded housing market they previously created and raped,
> > > and they put it in oil.
> > >
> > > These guys and the financial houses they work for make money off
> > > speculating on anything, and when they do, they drive the price of it
> > > up.
> > >
> > > Oil is getting riskier by the day, so they are taking huge
> > > positions--billions and billions of dollars they can transfer in
> > > seconds--in food, and you are seeing the results.
> > >
> > > They will not relent, and John Rogers is exactly, precisely, right--we
> > > will pay the bills because they control the government.
> > >
> > > To quote former financier Baron Rothschilde, who said back in the
> > > 1940s, "give me control of a nation's banks and I care not who writes
> > > its laws."
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 4/23/08, neil N <musomuso@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > How do the "shakers and movers" in the investment world, figure into
> > > > the price of a barrel of oil?
> > > >
> > > > I can't even begin to imagine how intensely linked the finances and
> > > > politics are behind the price of a barrel of oil, but the programme
> > > > mentioned above hit on that topic, and the impression I got, was that
> > > > some investors, or rather the brokers and brokerage firms etc., have a
> > > > large influence on the price of a barrel of oil.
> > > >
> > > > Any insights on the investors/brokerage firms influence on oil prices
> > > > anyone?
> > > >
> > > > Neil.
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