Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 07:49:59 -0700
Reply-To: Mike Elliott <camping.elliott@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Mike Elliott <camping.elliott@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: ADMINISTRIVIA - Reply from AT&T/BellSouth Part I
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Thanks for the peek under the rock, Jim!
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Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" Elliott
71 Type 2: the Wonderbus
84 Westfalia: Mellow Yellow ("The Electrical Banana")
74 Utility Trailer. Ladybug Trailer, Inc., San Juan Capistrano
KG6RCR
On 5/19/2008 9:00 PM Jim Arnott wrote:
> Robert, etal;
>
> I apologize for not replying sooner.
>
> Allow me to explain my position in all this....
>
> In my capacity as "List Admin" I have very limited access to
> gerry.vanagon.com. How limited? I can approve or deny subscription
> requests. I can add, moderate or remove folks from the list. I can
> query to determine the status of a subscriber. I can change the
> status of a user. All commands that are interpreted by LISTSERV. What
> I cannot do is access any of the gerry.vanagon.com server functions.
> I do not have access to the web pages, the operating system, or any
> of the back end stuff. Nor do I have access to the hardware. Most
> importantly I have no access to any of the logs. I simply cannot
> provide what is necessary to further troubleshoot this issue.
>
> Immediately prior to when I volunteered to "take over" the admin
> duties, Tom Carrington was bemoaning the cost of providing the
> bandwidth necessary for gerry. Since I am employed by an ISP with
> server shelf space and bandwidth to spare, it was my understanding
> that gerry was going to be moved to my engine room and Tom was going
> to move on to other things. At that time, I would then have the
> necessary tools to actually administer gerry.vanagon.com. (Like
> PHYSICAL ACCESS!) This has not happened. All that has happened is
> that Mr. Carrington apparently no longer receives my requests for the
> occasional "laying on of hands" in that to actually get something
> done I have to either email or call a fellow listmember who lives in
> the same general area as the server is located and ask that that
> member attempt to contact Mr. Carrington. For the past year or so,
> this has been a hit or miss proposition. (Hence the outage a couple
> weeks ago.... Someone forgot something and gerry.vanagon.com was
> unavailable for a few days.)
>
> IMHO, this situation is becoming a mess for lack of a better term.
> We have the vanagon.com domain owned by Ron Lussier who has had
> little to do with the list for a number of years, hosted on a box in
> Sausilito pointing to gerry.vanagon.com, hosted on a box that lives
> on the east coast in a guy's closet who is rarely available running
> mailing list software administered by a guy who lives in Oregon and
> takes most of the heat. Any piece of it breaks and, as Jeff Dunham
> says, all I can do is run to the end of my chain and bark.
>
> Legally, this mailing list belongs to Ron Lussier. Historically it
> has belonged to the listmembers (we bought the hardware and
> software.) I have my thoughts as to how this ought to be resolved,
> but frankly, it's managed to stumble along as is for seven or eight
> years so I really don't expect that much will change. Truth be told,
> I getting burned out because all I can do is tier one support. I do
> not have the tools or the access necessary to actually fix the
> problems or update the site. I don't even have a direct line to tier
> two support. I just have to leave a note and hope that someone will
> get back to me. Just like you.
>
> I'll open this non-vanagon discussion to all in that I believe that
> this directly affects all list members. Let's hear your thoughts on
> hpw to proceed.
>
> Sorry to bitch publicly and sorry that I can't help solve the root
> problem.
>
> I remain,
>
> At your service,
>
> Jim Arnott
>
>
> On May 19, 2008, at 4:44 PM, Robert Fisher wrote:
>> It's not limited to those .net domains listed; I talked to a tech
>> at my ISP
>> (Mediacom cable) which is mchsi.com, and he said they are essentially
>> 'piggybacked' on or 'downstream' from the AT&T trunk, so anything
>> that AT&T
>> does to block spam on their networks also blocks spam on the
>> networks of
>> those that use them for their internet connection, so to speak. He
>> said the
>> site administrator could write to AT&T and ask them to remove the
>> site from
>> the blacklist, however it turns out that you have to send that
>> email from
>> another domain as you would obviously get caught in a catch-22 as your
>> request email would also be treated as spam.
>>
>> I sent a note to Jim with this information, but I never received a
>> reply.
>>
>> As I recall, I stopped getting email on my mchsi.com account
>> shortly after
>> somebody did in fact spam the list. The last day I got regular list
>> mail on
>> that account was July 27th, 2007.
>>
>> Cya,
>> Robert
>
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