Date:         Tue, 20 May 2008 08:39:45 -0700
Reply-To:     ron 'coyote' lussier <rlussier@LENSCRAFT.COM>
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From:         ron 'coyote' lussier <rlussier@LENSCRAFT.COM>
Subject:      Re: ADMINISTRIVIA - Reply from AT&T/BellSouth Part I
Comments: To: Jim Arnott <jr.arnott@GMAIL.COM>
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          Tom Carrington <tcarrington@relitech.com>
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A few small corrections...

On May 19, 2008, at 9:00 PM, Jim Arnott wrote:

> IMHO, this situation is becoming a mess for lack of a better term.   

> We have the vanagon.com domain owned by Ron Lussier who has had  
> little to do with the list for a number of years, hosted on a box in  

> Sausilito pointing to gerry.vanagon.com, hosted on a box that lives  

> on the east coast in a guy's closet who is rarely available running  

> mailing list software administered by a guy who lives in Oregon and  

> takes most of the heat. Any piece of it breaks and, as Jeff Dunham  
> says, all I can do is run to the end of my chain and bark.

Actually, the 'vanagon.com' domain servers are in Toronto, Ontario,  
Canada these days, at 4java.ca.

> Legally, this mailing list belongs to Ron Lussier. Historically it  
> has belonged to the listmembers (we bought the hardware and  
> software.) I have my thoughts as to how this ought to be resolved,  
> but frankly, it's managed to stumble along as is for seven or eight  

> years so I really don't expect that much will change. Truth be told,  

> I getting burned out because all I can do is tier one support. I do  

> not have the tools or the access necessary to actually fix the  
> problems or update the site. I don't even have a direct line to tier  

> two support.  I just have to leave a note and hope that someone will  

> get back to me.  Just like you.

I disagree that the mailing list legally 'belongs to me'.  I neither  
started it nor consider myself to own it.

You're right, though, that I've had little to do with either the list  

or my own vanagon.com site for some time.  I'm still trying to figure  

out what to do about that.

coyote

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