Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 10:49:34 -0700
Reply-To: Scott Foss - Shazam <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
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From: Scott Foss - Shazam <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject: Re: BLUE TEC
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Hey Buddy !
well.....................I sure HOPE we are still driving cars and vans,
as we know them today, on roads as we know them now, in 10 years, and
the precious go juice will be avaiable !
We probably will get to do that yet ......................some anyway.
Hard to say what will happen.
A lot can sure happen in 10 years.
In retrospect 1998 looks pretty simple and innocent right now, compared
to how the world is today .
What I envision is that the tail of a comet will sweep the earth, and
suddenly all humans ( it's always the males that cause all the
mayhem..........ahem............as people would be wise to take note of
) ...............and everyone will 'just wake' up, and cast off all
weapons and anger, and greed will no longer exist, and all the oil that
is in places like Venezuela , Russia , and Iran - overnight they will
want to joyously almost give it away, so that all humans can enjoy the
wonder of driving and adventuring by vehicle.
And there is nothing so fine as wandering back roads in a TD vanagon -
for example ..........the 'top of the world' road from Chicken , Alaska
( that's a funkier version of Eagle, Alaska, btw ) to Dawson, Yukon
Territories, or to Atlin Lake at the top of BC, or wandering the vast US
deserts. Or doing the Cassiar Hwy up through Stewart BC and on up toward
Whitehorse.......
such fine and vast territory to roam !
scott
www.turbovans.com
Roger Whittaker wrote:
> thanks scott
> i strongly suspected this as well ...
> i understood the extra catalytic converter thingy
> and i understood there might be some advanced electronics
> i just wasnt sure if it was so complex as making like you say ....
> piston cum jet
> but i can certainly understand how it would become that complex
> thanks for the input ...
> my guess is that i may have to repower in ten years so then i will look at
> what is around
> yours
>
> On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Scott Foss - Shazam <
> scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Roger,
>> I'm pretty sure if you really study what Blue Tec modern diesel technology
>> invovles ...........
>> like Mercedes has one out now ............
>> you'll find electronic controls and common rail injection, and injection
>> fuel pressure about 6 times ( or something extreme compared to what our VW
>> TD non-tdi, non-electronica engines use ) what you have on your van's
>> engine.
>> Plus uera injection proably, plus special catalytic converter/s.
>>
>> it's like asking if you can convert a piston aircraft engine to jet almost
>> - not quite that extreme really, but you get what i'm saying.
>> i.e. 'you can't get there from here." basically
>>
>> Tings evolve in small steps at times.........but at other times to really
>> get anywhere............it has to be a whole other paradigm.
>>
>> Yes, a blue tec engien is a piston diesel internal combustion engine just
>> like yours........but the ENTIRE fuel and combustion management system is 20
>> times more evolved than what you have on your current Vanagon TD engine.
>>
>> hmmm..............just tried to find it quickly at Wikipedia and it didn't
>> just jump right up.
>> But scott says 'i don't think you can.'
>> nice thought though !!
>>
>> Do you have an intercooler ?
>> If not that would be your next practical step forward I'm pretty sure.
>> In 'all' turbo engines, if they don't have an
>> intercooler...................the next step is to have one, either an air
>> type or a liquid cooler type.
>> Tdi people are always doing them. All electronic VW tdi engines use an IC.
>>
>>
>> Heck...........just in Combustion Chamber shape ALONE.........you can't
>> change a horse cart into a space ship, or even a car.
>>
>> First it IS add-on mods to existing stuff. The first smog devices staring
>> in about 1971 were that. - retrofitted stuff to engines never designed with
>> low emissions in mind.
>> And those cars sucked all through the 70's..........
>> Until they got smart, started with a clean sheet of paper, and went to
>> electronic fuel injection and . combustion chambers deigned for low
>> emissions, and good driveability etc.
>>
>> So i strongly suspect 'you can't blue tec your TDV !"
>> scott
>> www.turbovans.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Roger Whittaker wrote:
>>
>> ok lets try a little different ...
>> this is a factory OEM 1989 Diesel westie
>> does anyone with exhaust knowledge think this Blue Tec could be retro fitted
>>
>> it seems this technology improves low sulfur diesel performance
>> and allows vehicles so equipped to pass latest emission testing
>>
>> i see by the stories online that VW has recently acquired the right to equip
>> vehicles with Blue Tec
>> yours
>>
>> On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Kim Brennan <kimbrennan@mac.com> <kimbrennan@mac.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> To an 1889 westie? I'm fairly confident the answer is no...
>> ;p
>>
>> On May 26, 2008, at 2:52 PM, Roger Whittaker wrote:
>>
>> Does any one know if this new BLUE TEC technology
>> can be added to a 1889 diesel westie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> roger w
>> There are two kinds of jobs in the world:
>> Picking up garbage and telling people things.
>> Successful people do both, with the same good attitude. (riw)
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> --
> roger w
> There are two kinds of jobs in the world:
> Picking up garbage and telling people things.
> Successful people do both, with the same good attitude. (riw)
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